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M8.7 earthquake in Western Pacific, tsunami warning issued

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Re: M8.7 earthquake in Western Pacific, tsunami warning issued

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post #79

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Despite the common vernacular calling them "waves" they're really more like really really high tides. You're talking about something that happens over, say, 10-90 minutes, not seconds.

They are very literally long wavelength waves though.

So are tides.

Re: M8.7 earthquake in Western Pacific, tsunami warning issued

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I'm surprised so many people don't understand what tsunamis are. It's a "wave" created by a sudden shift in the Earth's crust. Imagine, suddenly, water on each of side of that split is now at different heights and has to equalize. It's much closer to just removing a dam that is holding back water equal in height to the new difference between the sea floors. What you get is not a "wave" but a wall of water.

This doesn't make sense to me intuitively. It must be a wave. Imagine you have a fault line. There is a left side and a right side to the fault line. If the left side lowers with a shift then that shift MUST be localized to the area around the fault. Because if it wasn't then that means there's an elevation change across the board for everything to the left of the fault. You see how that doesn't make sense? So if the…

Sure it's a wave, but tides, swells and waves all oscillate just on different frequencies and amplitudes. When they all align you get rogue waves and to the casual observer of a tsunami, a wall of water coming your way.

Re: M8.7 earthquake in Western Pacific, tsunami warning issued

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post #125

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A̶F̶A̶I̶C̶T̶,̶ ̶N̶T̶V̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶r̶e̶p̶o̶r̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶3̶m̶ ̶w̶a̶v̶e̶s̶ ̶h̶a̶v̶e̶ ̶j̶u̶s̶t̶ ̶s̶t̶a̶r̶t̶e̶d̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶h̶i̶t̶ ̶J̶a̶p̶a̶n̶.̶ EDIT: Apologies, I misunderstood—a reply to this comment said they were just predictions. (I saw in this video[0] that the first waves had arrived, and assumed the heights would've therefore corresponded to actual measurements. But it's still in the "predictions" section, and I…

No. That's the predictions. Biggest wave so far has been 60cm (EDIT: as of 6am UTC it's 1m30cm, but that's still relatively small. It came up almost exactly to the top of the pier in Kuji.)

I've updated my comment, I indeed misunderstood what I read.... Unfortunately it's too late for me to delete the comment, so everyone please feel free to flag/downvote it (both to push it down for the sake of clutter, and also to punish my carelessness :-P).

Re: M8.7 earthquake in Western Pacific, tsunami warning issued

#144
post #50

My wife decided to not travel to Japan due to an impending warning from a manga for July 2025. I have been making fun of her all month only to get this tsunami warning now! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_2025_Japan_megaquake_prop... . > The 2021 reprint capitalizing off this revived popularity warned of a "real disaster" in July 2025, causing a minor case of mass hysteria in 2025 when summer trips to Japan from E…

> The statement was revised later to specify the date "July 5, 2025" as that of an asteroid impact,[8] or even the end of the world.[9]

Ryo Tatsuki clarified it wasn't her that said July 5th was when the big one will hit but that it was her publisher that pushed that date for marketing and sales.

She along with the Thai clairvoyant and Brandon Biggs all say July is the month when the earthquakes and tsunamis begin.

It is unwise to simply write this off, Ryo Tatsuki said she saw 4:18am in July 2025 which can only mean 14 hours from now we will know if that is it.

It is July 30th 2:14pm, in 14 hours it will be July 31st 4:18am. After that a 20 hour period until the deadline.

Re: M8.7 earthquake in Western Pacific, tsunami warning issued

#145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm surprised so many people don't understand what tsunamis are. It's a "wave" created by a sudden shift in the Earth's crust. Imagine, suddenly, water on each of side of that split is now at different heights and has to equalize. It's much closer to just removing a dam that is holding back water equal in height to the new difference between the sea floors. What you get is not a "wave" but a wall of water.

This doesn't make sense to me intuitively. It must be a wave. Imagine you have a fault line. There is a left side and a right side to the fault line. If the left side lowers with a shift then that shift MUST be localized to the area around the fault. Because if it wasn't then that means there's an elevation change across the board for everything to the left of the fault. You see how that doesn't make sense? So if the…

Since we're intuiting, I'm just imagining something like quickly adding a "D.C. offset" of some given height to the crests and troughs you'd measure by sampling ocean waves.

In fact, I'm not sure I should have quotes around that. Isn't your interlocutor saying a tsunami is literally a direct current of water flowing toward the shore?

Re: M8.7 earthquake in Western Pacific, tsunami warning issued

#146

What happens to the US West coast?

All the tectonics and volcanos that are underground are linked, these seismic events aren't just isolated on islands.

I hate to say this but we can expect a major event in August. All I can tell people is to prepare but I see people just with blank expression, there is almost no concern at all which reminds me very much of November 2019.

Re: M8.7 earthquake in Western Pacific, tsunami warning issued

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Is height the only thing that matters? Presumably 1x 2m wave is less impactful than 10 x 1m waves spread 20 seconds apart?

I'm surprised so many people don't understand what tsunamis are. It's a "wave" created by a sudden shift in the Earth's crust. Imagine, suddenly, water on each of side of that split is now at different heights and has to equalize. It's much closer to just removing a dam that is holding back water equal in height to the new difference between the sea floors. What you get is not a "wave" but a wall of water.

> What you get is not a "wave" but a wall of water.

Its a wave (or series of waves) with a large wavelength and speed in deep ocean, that becomes a shorter wavelength and very large amplitude by shoaling as it hits shallow water.

Its different from typical wind-driven ocean waves for a lot of reasons; but a big indicator is wavelength -- wind-driven ocean waves have wavelengths up to hundreds of meters, tsunamis have wavelengths (in deep ocean) of hundreds of kilometers.

More like tides than waves, as has been stated elsewhere in the thread, is both technically wrong but substantively (with the caveat that "waves" really means "typical wind-drive waves") correct, in that tides are also manifested through waves, but waves which have wavelengths of thousands of kilometers, and so tsunamis are waves more similar to those making up tides (hence the old colloquial use of "tidal waves", which properly refers to the waves manifesting tides, to refer to tsunamis) than to wind-driven waves.

Re: M8.7 earthquake in Western Pacific, tsunami warning issued

#148

Has anyone heard how bad it was in Petropovlosk? USGS estimates "severe" shaking with the possibility of moderate to heavy damage and a chance of fatalities. They have had quite a swarm of quakes there over the last couple of weeks, including one that was M7+ around the 20th.

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Re: M8.7 earthquake in Western Pacific, tsunami warning issued

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post #113

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> I'm surprised so many people don't understand what tsunamis are. “I’m Surprised so many people don’t know what ‘X’ is/are isn’t a very nice thing to say. Your comment could have done without that, the rest of it would have been fine.

I don't think he's even right. Like what he is saying is in actuality wrong. He's surprised because he's ignorant. I'm all for people saying stuff the way he says it. He believes it's true, then he should stand behind. But then the consequence is that he needs to be accepting of when people call him out for being utterly wrong.

The difference is that people know what 2m (wind driven) waves look like at their cities seawall. A 2m tsunami is a -completely- different phenomenon, because of its length. Depending upon the underwater geography, a 2m tsunami might flood right over their 3m seawall, and wipe out entire parts of the city, sweeping hundreds of people out to sea. A 2m wind wave will get saltwater spray on cars driving by. They are both waves, but they share very little in characteristics other than their fundamental physics. It’s like saying that a slingshot fires a 12mm projectile, and so does a 50 caliber anti material rifle. The fact that they are both projectiles, of the same size, is much, much less informative than other facts about their nature.

Saying that tsunamis are waves is easy to equivocate into tsunamis are waves, like other waves. This is an equivocation that is very misleading and can get people killed.

Insofar as the goal of communication is to communicate meaningful information, it is less accurate to say “tsunamis are waves” than it is to say “tsunamis are nothing like normal waves”, or to say “tsunamis are like a wall of water, not like a wave” or “tsunamis are more like tides than waves”.

So yes, tsunamis are waves, but insisting that tsunamis are waves without qualification that their effective characteristics are fundamentally much different and more dangerous than a regular wave is misleading through omission in a way that could directly put people’s lives in jeopardy.

Being pedantic about definitions and being accurate in conveying meaning are not the same thing, and communicating in good faith normally is about conveying meaning in an accurate manner, not just using words in an accurate manner.

FWIW I also believe that meanings are important, but there is a point where pedantry falls into bad-faith territory.

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