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Re: VPN use surges in UK as new online safety rules kick in

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

modo_mario wrote: post #118
oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> as long as those people leaving are straight, white males, or their families, they're being told "good riddance" This is totally untrue. As long as it's selfish, unpatriotic people leaving, I couldn't care less what their skin color or sexual orientation is.

Well if they are you're probably getting a greater amount of other selfish, unpatriotic people to replace them so idk if it's a net gain from your pov.

I doubt that's the case; people who want to live in a country are usually more patriotic than those who don't want to live in it, in my experience.

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Post by Saline9515 »

mattlondon wrote: post #61
zaptheimpaler wrote: post #27

Basically every new law, piece of news or media I see coming from the UK paints a picture of a beat-down, cynical & scared society that's complacent to or in support of increasing surveillance and control by the government. Like maybe Adolescence or basically any mention of the NHS. The crimes they cite like child grooming or terrorism/hate being incited sound pretty terrible too, but I wonder why the UK specifically…

Not saying I agree with the legislation, but the UK experienced a lot of pretty bad domestic terrorism in the rememberable past (namely IRA bombs detonating in towns and cities etc, often with devastating impacts). Then there were the tube and bus suicide bombings more recently. And there has also been a constant pitter-patter of "radicalised lone wolf" type things like the Ariana Grande concert bomber, the guy who k…

The IRA was active before internet even existed. This is more about controlling the internet discourse, rather than preventing terrorism.

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Post by password54321 »

nindalf wrote: post #120
password54321 wrote: post #110

Destroy cultural integrity, national identity, create a low-trust society, become more authoritarian to manage low-trust society, import more immigrants at an exponential rate while house costs rise along with unemployment. The list keeps going. This is why far-right is surging on the polls. The country has completely lost all sense.

Incredible that you’ve managed to bring this conversation to immigration. In fact, it sounds like you’re saying the root cause of this crappy policy is somehow immigrants. Far fetched and not cool.

None of these problems live in isolation. It all feeds back to the same system that is driving itself into the ground.

The refusal to accept these problems is what is creating a surge in far-right popularity. The very people that oppose them have inadvertently become their biggest cheerleaders.

Re: VPN use surges in UK as new online safety rules kick in

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Post by Saline9515 »

abxyz wrote: post #133
rubyAce wrote: post #129

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It his law combined with all the other iffy laws in the UK which make this nefarious. This is the issue about discussing anything about how draconian the UK is. If you compare any single law in isolation, it isn't that different. However if you take how the British authorities and how they operate it, and all the other laws you start to see a more draconian picture. That is what many people, especially those that do…

I lived in the U.K. for decades and I have lived in many other countries. I’ll criticise the U.K. government and society endlessly but to describe these changes as notable or remarkable relative to most other countries is nonsense. From a U.S. internet libertarian freedom-at-all-costs perspective, sure, it’s a draconian nightmare, but for normal people from the U.K. or any other country, it’s barely a blip on their r…

It's a "blip in your radar" until you want to say something that is forbidden by the government. Or when someone thinks that you said it, such as with "non-crime hate incidents" where anyone can report "hate speech" to the police, which will be added to your public file.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-crime_hate_incident

Re: VPN use surges in UK as new online safety rules kick in

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Post by Saline9515 »

happymellon wrote: post #138
MaxPock wrote: post #45

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Authoritarian CCTV cameras in Shenzhen Vs democratic CCTV cameras in London

Heavily monitored London, freedom America. https://techxplore.com/news/2021-06-prevalence-cctv-cameras-... Oh wait, Paris, NYC, SF, Tokyo have more cameras per sq. Km. Narrative.

Paris and Seoul are much denser than London. A better measure is the cameras/habitant or the % of coverage. London has 100% coverage for instance.

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Post by Saline9515 »

derelicta wrote: post #46
userbinator wrote: post #37

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Jinping is probably a better comparison.

Xi is fairly popular in China tho, unlike this "labour" govt.

Which is the aim of restricting every information channel and starting the brainwashing in primary school? I'm sure Kim Jong Un is very popular in North Korea, too!

Re: VPN use surges in UK as new online safety rules kick in

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Post by Saline9515 »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #137
password54321 wrote: post #110

Destroy cultural integrity, national identity, create a low-trust society, become more authoritarian to manage low-trust society, import more immigrants at an exponential rate while house costs rise along with unemployment. The list keeps going. This is why far-right is surging on the polls. The country has completely lost all sense.

Very sad to see this from the country that produced some of the most influential pro freedom of speech philosophy the world has ever seen.

Well they also produced pre-totalitarian authors, such as Thomas Hobbes and his advocacy of authoritarian states.

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Post by isaacremuant »

badpenny wrote: post #99
isaacremuant wrote: post #71

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100%. Funnily enough. They just need to claim it's "protecting the children" and people fall for it. The funniest part is that high profile criminal cases go unpunished very visibly. Even if they have minors in their context, because the elite figures in question must be protected from the enforcement of rules.

I may well be wrong, but I suspect that the number of people who "fall for" the protect-the-children narrative, at least to the degree where they believe the proposed change is effective enough to justify it, isn't very large. I'd argue it works because it's a rhetorical tactic that's highly effective at suppressing dissent. Anybody sticking their head above the parapet is going to get painted as somebody who favours…

In my experience, people in real life do absolutely parrot the talking points that are deemed to be good (TM). Whether they do it out of fear or not, ends up being a moot point since they create an environment of apparent cohesion.

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Post by vaylian »

4ugSWklu wrote: post #96
vaylian wrote: post #66

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> Then there were the tube and bus suicide bombings more recently. That was 20 years ago. Not really recently.

If you read very carefully, you'll see that the word "more" is key in that sentence.

Technically true, but also besides the point. These are not recent events.

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Post by pydry »

userbinator wrote: post #37
pydry wrote: post #24

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She doesnt, she just wants to put in Putin-like levels of control and surveillance for the same reasons Putin does.

Jinping is probably a better comparison.

Jinping would be a better comparison if you wanted to downplay all of this - he's less of a persona non grata.

All 3 like to crack down on free speech and monitor internet traffic for identical reasons though.

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