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Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

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Re: Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

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Post by MSFT_Edging »

tom89999 wrote: post #111
simonjgreen wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Respectfully, nothing about that applies to a laptop. This has been well proven over the years, that with good forethought and making parts available laptops can be highly repairable.

The display unit is nothing an enduser should replace. Does every user know how to handle the delicate display and how to carefully install the LVDS cable? In most modern cars you cant replace the windscreen with cameras, heating wires in your backyard without the calibration software. You can try it, but you will fail.

Displays are absolutely end user repairable if the end user has experience. Allowing an end user to perform repairs shouldn't mean the repair should be doable by every single end-user.

If that was the case we wouldn't be allowed to replace AA batteries.

Re: Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

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Post by E39M5S62 »

diabllicseagull wrote: post #73
E39M5S62 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I run Linux on a Thinkpad T13s, with the previous generation of Snapdragon CPUs. It runs great - quick, excellent battery life and very stable. Installation is a bit obnoxious, but nothing a modestly seasoned Linux veteran can't handle.

did you mean Thinkpad x13s?

Yes, thanks for the correction. It was really early when I replied!

Re: Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

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Post by E39M5S62 »

kcb wrote: post #67
E39M5S62 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I run Linux on a Thinkpad T13s, with the previous generation of Snapdragon CPUs. It runs great - quick, excellent battery life and very stable. Installation is a bit obnoxious, but nothing a modestly seasoned Linux veteran can't handle.

I have one of those too. Found a nice 32gb spec one on eBay for a good price. Last I tried Ubuntu the main issues were the speakers were very quiet and usb-c display out didn't work.

Alt DP works fine, the current limitation is that it can't do 4k@60hz because it's using only two DP lanes due to a driver limitation.

Re: Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

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Post by rr808 »

kllrnohj wrote: post #136
rr808 wrote: post #82

I'm waiting for this. I like low powered laptops as more of a terminal. I dont want the apple ecosystem, but I'm getting really tired of windows, high end chromebooks kinda disappeared, I have Linux servers at home. Do I have to wait much longer?

If you can avoid eye rolling at the stupid name, the new Ryzen AI lineup (codename strix point) is really, really good. Very efficient.

OK interesting. I'm not interested in AI stuff, but looks like they are lower power too which is what I want.

Re: Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

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Post by [deleted] »

teo_zero wrote: post #5

> the current Linux Kernel 6.15 already supports many commercial laptops: Lenovo Yoga 7x, Lenovo ThinkPad T14s Gen 6, Dell XPS 13, Asus Vivobook S15, HP Omnibook x14, Microsoft Surface 13/15 Has anybody had any first-hand experience with Linux on such laptops?

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Re: Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

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Post by blacksmith_tb »

mariusor wrote: post #19
TheJCDenton wrote: post #11

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Very informative, thank you. I was about to buy one of their products but this made me pause. What you think would be the alternative in Europe ?

Basically the same things happened to my tuxedo also. With the addition of having to change batteries once a year, because it would drop to half it's factory charge, which wasn't really sufficient. I also gave up on them when they wanted so much money for a screen change (which died after about 3-4 years). I've replaced it with the new framework 13 inch, which so far works well , but I've only had it for 4-5 months.…

That's a shame, I got a 13 w/ the previous non-AI AMD 7 7840U in April, and it's been rock-solid running Pop_OS. I wondered at the time if I should have waited for the newer CPUs...

Re: Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

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Post by deaddodo »

rhaps0dy wrote: post #125
pentamassiv wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The patches check for the gxtp7380, ite_8291, ite_8291_lb, ite_8297, ite_829x, stk8321, tuxedo_compatibility_check, tuxedo_io, tuxedo_nb02_nvidia_power_ctrl, tuxedo_nb04_keyboard, tuxedo_nb04_wmi_ab, tuxedo_nb04_wmi_bs, tuxedo_nb04_sensors, tuxedo_nb04_power_profiles, tuxedo_nb04_kbd_backlight, tuxedo_nb05_keyboard, tuxedo_nb05_kbd_backlight, tuxedo_nb05_power_profiles, tuxedo_nb05_ec, tuxedo_nb05_sensors, tuxedo_nb…

I would describe it as exactly "resolving a license compatibility issue". Taint in linux kernel refers to marking this kernel as not supported, which often just means not purely GPLv2 compatible anymore. Proprietary AMD and nVidia drivers also cause taints. https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/118117/251582

Yeah, the person you're responding to is taking "taint" to mean a literal ban situation; versus the very real status that exists in Linux Kernel development.

"TAINTing" a driver/code doesn't mean it's blacklisted, it means it can't be upstreamed into the GPL codebase. It means that if you build a Kernel with it, it's no longer considered OSS-friendly.

There are plenty of legitimate and viable codebases that use TAINTed kernels. The DoD, various government entities around the world, some commercial interests, etc.

Re: Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

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Post by mixmastamyk »

TheJCDenton wrote: post #11
pentamassiv wrote: post #7

If you are thinking about getting a Tuxedo, I suggest to get something else. I got one because they promised fwupd support, upstreamed drivers and maybe coreboot support. None of that is working even years afterwards. People from the kernel got so fed up with them, they considered blacklisting them [1]. That seemed like a wakeup call as they now at least started with upstreaming drivers. If you want to change some se…

Very informative, thank you. I was about to buy one of their products but this made me pause. What you think would be the alternative in Europe ?

NovaCustom had a discussion on here recently and uses dasharo coreboot.

Re: Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

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Post by INTPenis »

fb03 wrote: post #127

I'm still waiting for the apple laptop killer (a 12h+ laptop with plain Ubuntu) but it's still brittle as fuck. I'm so frustrated by the current state of the mobile computing space. I have to have an Apple locked down device, which I hate, just because I want proper battery life. A aarch64 Ubuntu vm inside MacOS runs faster and lasts more time than a booted up Ubuntu on arm in these devices. This is how far behind th…

I echo that wish.

I'm about to try the Dell XPS 13 Snapdragon Q Elite with Linux so we'll see how it goes.

Re: Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

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Post by arend321 »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #138
arend321 wrote: post #69

I'm waiting for Android Virtualization Framework to run a full Linux distro on my smartphone with portable monitor (glasses). Already using Termux but AVF is hopefully much more performant. Maybe the Samsung S26 Ultra will have full support. I might ditch my miniPC if this works out.

> Already using Termux but AVF is hopefully much more performant. I'm cautiously optimistic about AVF, but I don't see why it would have any better performance than native code running directly on the host system?

I thought AVF has hardware virtualization where proot is user-space.
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