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Experimental surgery performed by AI-driven surgical robot

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Re: Experimental surgery performed by AI-driven surgical robot

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Post by tomhow »

ACCount36 wrote: post #58
andrepd wrote: post #57

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> Are you completely fucking unaware? Do you not realize what kind of world are you living in? Sure showed me. Here, some starting material: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logistic_function . Let me know if you'd like me to elaborate, I will when I have some time.

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Re: Experimental surgery performed by AI-driven surgical robot

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Post by beAbU »

matthewdgreen wrote: post #138
iExploder wrote: post #100

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Not a doctor or an expert on this but as a patient I would say LASIK sounds less invasive than internal organ operations...

They're cutting into your eye!

With a laser!!!

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Post by hansmayer »

dragonwriter wrote: post #128
hansmayer wrote: post #111

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...Except that a surgeon can reason in real-time even if he wasn´t "trained" on a specific edge-case. Its called intelligence. And unless they have been taking heavy drugs ahead of the procedure, or were sleep deprived, its very un-likely a surgeon will have a hallucination, of the kind that is practically a feature of the GenAI.

AI “hallucination” is more like confabulation than hallucination in humans (the chosen name the AI phenomenon was poor because the people choosing it don't understand thr domain it was chosen from, which is somewhat amusing given the nominal goal of their field); the risk factors for that aren't as much heavy drugs and sleep deprivation as immediate pressure to speak/act, absence of the knowledge needed, and absence…

I guess my point was less about the nuances of how we define 'hallucination' for a GenAI system, and more about the important part - not having my liver accidentally removed because the Surgery-ChatGPT had a hickup, or the rate limit was reached or whatever.

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Post by soco »

jacquesm wrote: post #122
qgin wrote: post #88

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LASIK is essentially an automated surgery and 1-2 million people get it done every year. Nobody even seems to care that it’s an almost entirely automated process.

Maybe not the best example: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/apr/18/lasik-laser-...

Any intervention, heck even jogging around your house, has a risk. The only important question is: are there less automated errors than human errors? If yes, here's the progress we asked for.

Re: Experimental surgery performed by AI-driven surgical robot

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Post by jacquesm »

soco wrote: post #144
jacquesm wrote: post #122

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Maybe not the best example: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/apr/18/lasik-laser-...

Any intervention, heck even jogging around your house, has a risk. The only important question is: are there less automated errors than human errors? If yes, here's the progress we asked for.

If no, then it isn't. Given that they overstate their success rate by orders of magnitude there seems to be a problem.
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