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UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by carlosjobim »

scarface_74 wrote: post #31
duxup wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're arguing with foreign countries. Meanwhile the federal government continuously working consolidate all data available under groups like DODGE or ICE or Palantir. Arguing to preserve a tech in a given situation but with other goals ... not sure the first part matters at that point. Perhaps he likes the idea of E2E, but just for himself and his friends. I duno, but whatever it is, it's not about the important th…

While Palantir is a private company and shouldn’t have access to government data, why shouldn’t in theory all government data be accessible to the government? DOGE is clearly operating illegally for other reasons - not distributions funds that were appropriated by Congress for instance. But data sharing isn’t the root issue. It’s spineless Republicans in Congress and a sycophantic Supreme Court. And it’s possible to…

> While Palantir is a private company and shouldn’t have access to government data, why shouldn’t in theory all government data be accessible to the government?

Shouldn't everybody have access to government data, with a few exceptions?

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by ascorbic »

xhkkffbf wrote: post #16
duxup wrote: post #4

I really sort of expected that by the time I reached my age that we'd have more policy makers that understood tech a little better. I feel like in the last say 25 or more years ... the needle hasn't moved.

It does seem to me like the US Vice President is advancing a pretty tech savvy policy. He's pushing for privacy. Am I missing something?

I think the non tech savvy policy makers in question are the British ones.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by Spooky23 »

GeekyBear wrote: post #43
pyrale wrote: post #25

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They are forcefully pushing for whatever the position of US companies is in conflicts between US companies and EU regulators. The position of the US executive on encryption is well summarized by the Lavabit case.

The U.S. also attempted to force Apple to add a back door just a decade ago. > Tim Cook, the C.E.O. of Apple, which has been ordered to help the F.B.I. get into the cell phone of the San Bernardino shooters, wrote in an angry open letter this week that "the U.S. government has asked us for something we simply do not have, and something we consider too dangerous to create." The second part of that formulation has righ…

You need to think about what they don’t say with these matters.

He said Apple does not have and won’t create a backdoor. That was well crafted and means exactly what he said, any implicit meaning is an artifact of your brain.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by ascorbic »

wkat4242 wrote: post #40
tacker2000 wrote: post #35

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To be clear in this case, this is not Europe or the EU, its solely the UK government wanting a backdoor for themselves.

Of course because the UK isn't even in the EU anymore. They're no longer any part of EU policy.

Still European though.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by jackgavigan »

duxup wrote: post #4

I really sort of expected that by the time I reached my age that we'd have more policy makers that understood tech a little better. I feel like in the last say 25 or more years ... the needle hasn't moved.

We've had a serious problem with policy-making in this country for a loooooong time, stretching right back to when RIPA was drafted, nearly three decades ago.

With a few notable exceptions, the level of knowledge, expertise and understanding amongst government advisers and policy makers is abysmally low. c.f. https://jackgavigan.com/2015/11/23/how-well-advised-was-the-...

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by sealeck »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #97
DrBazza wrote: post #90

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Sadly, UK Parliament is made up of political careerists and art students, which is probably similar to most Western democracies. There's a saying 'those who can do, those who can't teach', it probably needs a final 'and those that can't teach, go into politics'. Every time ukgov tries to make some sort of tech policy, it's embarassingly wrong, or naive, or both. This comes from a country that effectively gave away AR…

The leader of the opposition studied computer engineering (before going on to law). Sadly she used the knowledge gained to hack the website of the deputy leader of Labour Party.

> Sadly she used the knowledge gained to hack the website of the deputy leader of Labour Party.

If by "hack" you mean she guessed the password, then yes.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by GHanku »

isodev wrote: post #78

The specified policy aside, it’s kind of sad to see - the UK after Brexit just doesn’t carry the same weight. It would’ve been a different story if the UK as part of the EU were moving forward with a piece of legislation.

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Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by Spooky23 »

Silhouette wrote: post #128
reactordev wrote: post #117

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To point out that your data isn't safe from law enforcement. Quite the contrary. I think everyone should be aware of the state we are in. And while I can't go into detail about how I know, I want others to be aware that anything on their devices is fair game. Now a day's with or without a warrant. Three letter agencies are operating with impunity. Using this very tech.

Again - extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. It's no secret that there are groups actively looking for new exploits and that sometimes vulnerabilities are discovered that become zero days. It's a good bet that police and security services take an active interest in those vulnerabilities when they are found. But that's very different to claiming the police can easily unlock any device any time they wan…

There’s nothing extraordinary about the implications of what was said.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by standardUser »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #123
standardUser wrote: post #60

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If devoted half the resources to catching child abusers as we do to stop people from getting high after work, we'd have a whole hell of a lot fewer abused children. But, priorities!

> If devoted half the resources to catching child abusers as we do to stop people from getting high after work, we'd have a whole hell of a lot fewer abused children. There are two problems here: (1) We devote more resources to catching child abusers. There are all kinds of legal "if you see something, say something" requirements that make every doctor, nurse, and schoolteacher in the country part of the effort to do…

> We devote more resources to catching child abusers.

You make this statement but provide no evidence. Because there's laws on the books, we "devote more resource" than, say the entire DEA, which unlike these laws has a gargantuan budget? That's nonsense.

> I see no particular reason to believe that additional resources would lead to a noticeable increase in detections.

Look harder? Read up on the topic? String operations work. More would work more often and catch more abusers.

Let alone the resources we could be pouring into children's mental health services (instead of kicking families off health insurance like the current administration has accomplished).

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