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It's rude to show AI output to people

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Re: It's rude to show AI output to people

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Post by kenanblair »

pyman wrote: post #111
phito wrote: post #4

I really wish some of my coworkers would stop using LLMs to write me emails or even Teams messages. It does feel extremely rude, to the point I don't even want to read them anymore.

Didn't our parents go through the same thing when email came out? My dad used to say: "Stop sending me emails. It's not the same." I'd tell him, "It's better. "No, it's not. People used to sit down and take the time to write a letter, in their own handwriting. Every letter had its own personality, even its own smell. And you had to walk to the post office to send it. Now sending a letter means nothing." Change is ine…

Same thing with photography and painting. These opinionated pieces display a false dichotomy which propagates into argument, when we have a tunable dial rather than a switch, appropriately increasing or decreasing our consideration, time, and focus along a spectrum rather than treating it as an on and off switch.

I value letters far more than emails, pouring out my heart and complex thought to justify the post office trip and even postage stamp. Heck, why do we write birthday cards instead of emails? I hold a similar attitude towards LLM output and writing; perhaps more analogous is a comparison between painting and photography. I’ll take a glance at LLM output, but reading intentional thought (especially if it’s a letter) is when I infer about the sender as a person through their content. So if you want to send me a snapshot or fact, I’m fine with LLM output, but if you’re painting me a message, your actionable brushstrokes are more telling than the photo itself.

Re: It's rude to show AI output to people

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Post by oldge »

smithbits wrote: post #64

Yes. I just had a bad experience with an online shop. I got the thing I ordered, but the interaction was bad so I sent a note to their support email saying "I like your company, but I recently had this experience that felt icky, here's what happened" and their "AI Agent Bot" replied with a whole lot of platitudes and "Since you’ve indicated no action is needed and your order has been placed, we will be closing this t…

Seems like a strongly coupled set of events that leaks their internal culture. “Customers are not worth the effort”.

Re: It's rude to show AI output to people

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Post by Al-Khwarizmi »

z3c0 wrote: post #44
lvl155 wrote: post #38

While I understand this sentiment, some people simply suck at writing nice emails or have a major communication issue. It’s also not bad to run your important emails through multiple edits via AI.

Is it too much to ask them to learn? People can have poor communication habits and still write* a thoughtful email.

Maybe yes, it's too much?

I'm a non-native English speaker who writes many work emails in English. My English is quite good, but still, it takes me longer to write email in English because it's not as natural. Sometimes I spend a few minutes wondering if I'm getting the tone right or maybe being too pushy, if I should add some formality or it would sound forced, etc., while in my native language these things are automatic. Why shouldn't I use an LLM to save those extra minutes (as long as I check the output before sending it)?

And being non-native with a good English level is nothing compared to people who might have autism, etc.

Re: It's rude to show AI output to people

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Post by cm2012 »

mook wrote: post #108
lysace wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are mostly posturing. I don't see any problem sharing a human-reviewed LLM output. (I also figure that human review may not be that necessary in a few years.)

But it's the human review that makes it not rude; not bothering to review means you're wasting the other person's time. If they wanted a chatbot response they could have went to the LLM directly. It's like pointing to a lmgtfy link. That's _intentionally_ rude, in that it's normally used when the question isn't worth the thought. That's what pasting a chatbot response says.

This I agree with as well 100%.

Re: It's rude to show AI output to people

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Post by j45 »

pyman wrote: post #111
phito wrote: post #4

I really wish some of my coworkers would stop using LLMs to write me emails or even Teams messages. It does feel extremely rude, to the point I don't even want to read them anymore.

Didn't our parents go through the same thing when email came out? My dad used to say: "Stop sending me emails. It's not the same." I'd tell him, "It's better. "No, it's not. People used to sit down and take the time to write a letter, in their own handwriting. Every letter had its own personality, even its own smell. And you had to walk to the post office to send it. Now sending a letter means nothing." Change is ine…

One thing is it's less about change. It's more about quality vs quantity and both have their place.

Re: It's rude to show AI output to people

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Post by j45 »

aidos wrote: post #114
pyman wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't our parents go through the same thing when email came out? My dad used to say: "Stop sending me emails. It's not the same." I'd tell him, "It's better. "No, it's not. People used to sit down and take the time to write a letter, in their own handwriting. Every letter had its own personality, even its own smell. And you had to walk to the post office to send it. Now sending a letter means nothing." Change is ine…

I really don’t think they’re the same thing. Email or letter, the words are yours while an LLM output isn’t.

Some do put their words into the LLM and clean it up.

And it stays much closer to how they are writing.

Re: It's rude to show AI output to people

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Post by j45 »

shreezus wrote: post #56
phito wrote: post #4

I really wish some of my coworkers would stop using LLMs to write me emails or even Teams messages. It does feel extremely rude, to the point I don't even want to read them anymore.

LinkedIn is probably the worst culprit. It has always been a wasteland of “corporate/professional slop”, except now the interface deliberately suggests AI-generated responses to posts. I genuinely cannot think of a worse “social network” than that hell hole. “Very insightful! Truly a masterclass in turning everyday professional rituals into transformative personal branding opportunities. Your ability to synergize aut…

AI Content that doesn't appear AI today will have to be the type that doesn't appear like AI in 1, 2 years.

Folks who are new to AI are just posting away with their December 2022 because it's new to them.

It is best to personally understand your own style(s) of communication.

Re: It's rude to show AI output to people

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Post by conartist6 »

pyman wrote: post #111
phito wrote: post #4

I really wish some of my coworkers would stop using LLMs to write me emails or even Teams messages. It does feel extremely rude, to the point I don't even want to read them anymore.

Didn't our parents go through the same thing when email came out? My dad used to say: "Stop sending me emails. It's not the same." I'd tell him, "It's better. "No, it's not. People used to sit down and take the time to write a letter, in their own handwriting. Every letter had its own personality, even its own smell. And you had to walk to the post office to send it. Now sending a letter means nothing." Change is ine…

Just be a robot. Sell your voice to the AI overlords. Sell your ears and eyes. Reality was the scam; choose the Matrix. I choose the Matrix!

Re: It's rude to show AI output to people

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Post by conartist6 »

threatofrain wrote: post #132
pyman wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't our parents go through the same thing when email came out? My dad used to say: "Stop sending me emails. It's not the same." I'd tell him, "It's better. "No, it's not. People used to sit down and take the time to write a letter, in their own handwriting. Every letter had its own personality, even its own smell. And you had to walk to the post office to send it. Now sending a letter means nothing." Change is ine…

I mean that's fine, but the right response isn't all this moral negotiation, but rather just to point out that it's not hard to have Siri respond to things. So have your Siri talk to my Cortana and we'll work things out. Is this a colder world or old people just not understanding the future?

It's demonstration by absurdity that that is not the future. You're describing the collapse of all value.
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