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Re: Mistral Releases Deep Research, Voice, Projects in Le Chat

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Finally EU is waking up. Proud of it. I am switching asap my Openai contract finishes to Mistral. We got to support EU, Viva La France.

A company owned by US investors, running on US infra, in a "strategic partnership with Microsoft", is "the EU waking up"? What a joke.

Where can I see the ownership by country ?

What about their infra ? Nothing's running in France ?

Re: Mistral Releases Deep Research, Voice, Projects in Le Chat

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I've been trying to use other LLM providers than OpenAI over the past few weeks: Claude, Deepseek, Mistral, local Ollama ... While Mistral might not have the best LLM performances, their UX is IMO the best, or at least a tie with OpenAI's: - I never had any UI bug, while these were common with Claude or OpenAI (e.g. a discussion disappearing, LLM crashing mid-answer, long context errors on Claude ...); - They support…

It is painful, but I have done the same thing: dropping any paid use of OpenAI. For years, basically since I retired from managing a deep learning team at Capital One, I have spent a ton of time experimenting with all LLM options.

Enough! I just paid for a year of Gemini Pro, I use gemini-cli for free for small sessions, turn on using my API key for longer sessions to avoid timeout, and most importantly: for API use I mostly just use Gemini 2.5-flash, sometimes -pro, and Moonshot’s Kimi K2. I also use local models on Ollama when they are sufficient (which is surprisingly often.)

I simply decided that I no longer wanted the hobby of always trying everything. I did look again at Mistral a few weeks ago, a good option, but Google was a good option for me.

Re: Mistral Releases Deep Research, Voice, Projects in Le Chat

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If China stays open, then the rest of the world will build on open. I'm frankly shocked that a domestic player isn't doing this. Fine tuning will work for niche business use cases better than promises of AGI.

> If China stays open, then the rest of the world will build on open I was listening to a Taiwanese news channel earlier today and although I wasn't paying much attention, I remember hearing about how Chinese AIs are biased towards Chinese political ideas and that some programme to create a more Taiwanese-aligned AI was being put in place. I wouldn't be surprised if just for this reason, at least a few different open…

I don’t disagree, but I feel comfortable enough using Moonshot’s Kimi K2 API for engineering use cases. It is also good that the model can be used via USA based providers.

Re: Mistral Releases Deep Research, Voice, Projects in Le Chat

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A major reason I haven’t really tried any of these things (despite thinking they are vaguely neat). I think I will wait until… 2026, second half, most likely. At least I’ll check if we have local models and hardware that can run them nicely, by then. Hats off to the folks who have decided to deal with the nascent versions though.

Depending on the definition of "nicely", FWIW I currently run Ollama sever [1] + Qwen Coder models [2] with decent success compared to the big hosted models. Granted, I don't utilize most "agentic" features and still mostly use chat-based interactions. The server is basically just my Windows gaming PC, and the client is my editor on a macOS laptop. Most of this effort is so that I can prepare for the arrival of that…

+1 Ollama and Qwen coder is amazingly effective, even running on my modest M2 32G mac mini.

Re: Mistral Releases Deep Research, Voice, Projects in Le Chat

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Finally EU is waking up. Proud of it. I am switching asap my Openai contract finishes to Mistral. We got to support EU, Viva La France.

Mistral has been there for quite a while (2 years is "a while" in this field).

They are very good at making smaller models, not the smartest or the most knowledgeable, but you generally get pretty clean results quickly. Also, in my experience, they are less heavy handed than others when it comes to censorship.

Re: Mistral Releases Deep Research, Voice, Projects in Le Chat

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There is a lot of fraud on Craigslist. The fraudsters are very creative. There is this fallacy, the 'Sunk Cost' fallacy, where people accept a substandard result because they feel they have already invested in the result and don't want to 'throw away' that investment. So in a place where it can take 90 minutes to go across the Bay, if you drive clear across the Bay for what you believe to be a pristine item, you may…

> This happens on EBay too. Sellers list something and it isn't as described, and fraudulent sellers will say "but it is! This buyer is trying to scam me." and EBay usually sides with the seller. This is not my experience at all and I've used eBay since 2008. eBay is pro buyer to the point that I don't sell anything on eBay (and buy all everything on eBay if price is the same).

Sell on eBay and can confirm this. eBay will side with the buyer 95% of the time, even if we can prove it was their fault. Maybe they side with scam sellers more.

Re: Mistral Releases Deep Research, Voice, Projects in Le Chat

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I think they've buried the lede with their image editing capabilities, which seem to be very good! OpenAI's model will change the whole image while editing messing up details in unrelated areas. This seems to perfectly preserve parts of the image unrelated to your query and selectively apply the edits, which is very impressive! The only downside is the output resolution (the resulting image is 1184px wide even though…

That's because they're leveraging BFL models (almost assuredly Kontext) - it's mentioned in the release notes.

The input image is scaled down to the closest aspect ratio of approximately 1 megapixel.

I ran some experiments with Kontext and added a slider so you can see the before / after of the isolated changes it makes without affecting the entire image.

https://specularrealms.com/ai-transcripts/experiments-with-f...

Re: Mistral Releases Deep Research, Voice, Projects in Le Chat

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It is completely unreasonable to buy the hardware to run a local model and only use it 1% of the time. It will be unreasonable in 2026 and probably very long after that. Maybe s.th. like a collective that buys the gpu's together and then uses them without leaking data can work.

over time you would assume the models will get more efficient and the hardware will get better to the point that buying a massive new gpu with boatloads of vram is just not necessary maybe 128gb of vram becomes the new mid tier model and most llms can fit into this nicely and do everything one wants in an llm given how fast llms are progressing it wouldn’t surprise me if we reach this point by 2030

Considering there were two generations (around 4.5 years) of top-tier consumer GPUs (3090/4090) stuck at 24GB VRAM max, and the current one (5090) "only" bumped it up to 32GB, I think you'll be waiting more than 5 years before 128GB VRAM comes to the mid tier model GPU. 12-16GB is currently mid tier and has been since LLMs became "a thing".

I hope I'm wrong though, and we see a large bump soon. Even just 32GB in the mid tier would be huge.

I'm really tempted to try out a Mac Studio with 256+ GB Unified Memory (192 GB VRAM), but it is sadly out of my budget at the moment. I know there is a bandwidth loss, but being able to run huge models and huge contexts locally would be quite nice.

Re: Mistral Releases Deep Research, Voice, Projects in Le Chat

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A major reason I haven’t really tried any of these things (despite thinking they are vaguely neat). I think I will wait until… 2026, second half, most likely. At least I’ll check if we have local models and hardware that can run them nicely, by then. Hats off to the folks who have decided to deal with the nascent versions though.

When ChatGPT, then Llama, then Alpaca came out in rapid succession, I decided to hold off a year before diving in. This was definitely the right choice at the time, it’s becoming less-the-right-choice all the time. In particular it’s important to get past the whole need-to-self-host thing. Like, I used to be holding out for when this stuff would plateau, but that keeps not happening, and the things we’re starting to…

I wouldn’t want to become dependent on something like OpenAI, at least not until we see what the “profitable” version of the company is.

If they have to enshiffify, I don’t want that baked into my workflow. If they have to raise prices, that changes the local vs remote trade off. If they manage to lower prices, then the cost of running locally will be reduced as well.

I’m also not sure what the LLMs that I’d want to use look like. No real deal-maker applications have shown up so far; if the good application ends up being something like “integrate it into neovim and suggest completions as you type” obviously I won’t want to hit the network for that.

Early days still.

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