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Two guys hated using Comcast, so they built their own fiber ISP

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Re: Two guys hated using Comcast, so they built their own fiber ISP

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Wow the US really has it bad when it comes to home internet. In many European countries, you can get symmetric Gbit internet for 30-40 EUR (probably less in some places), and I haven't seen a data cap in forever.

Bay Area has sonic.net with unlimited 10Gb down & 1Gb up for only $40.

I don't think sonic has asymmetric internet anywhere. It used to be symmetric gig, now they're deploying symmetric 10gig. And the price is $49, although they just announced an increase to $59.

Re: Two guys hated using Comcast, so they built their own fiber ISP

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Bay Area has sonic.net with unlimited 10Gb down & 1Gb up for only $40.

*parts of the Bay Area. I'd say the majority of areas are still monopolized by Comcast, including my neighborhood of course.

If you haven't already, check to see if either Google Fiber or Monkeybrains is available in your area. Last I checked, the regs are still in place that prevent landlords from denying you access to an ISP of your choice.

Re: Two guys hated using Comcast, so they built their own fiber ISP

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"Everything that we're doing is all underground." This indicates that their local and state governments aren't (at this time) captured by the incumbent cable provider. A captured state gov will pass laws to thwart new infra deployment, commonly written by ISP interests. A captured local gov will never approve deployment or slow-walk permitting in an attempt to bankrupt the upstart. more explainers: New suburban fiber…

This was even a major hurdle for Google Fiber. The incumbent ISPs did everything they could to obstruct them from installing fiber, and it was fairly effective even against someone with deep pockets like Google.

Re: Two guys hated using Comcast, so they built their own fiber ISP

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I’ve been hearing about “captured government” with respect to fiber deployment for two decades now and the folks on that soap box have made absolutely zero progress on improving deployment of fiber infrastructure in that time. Tilting at that windmill isn’t working, because for the most part that’s not the real problem. Why isn’t the Bay Area a hot bed of fiber deployment? You think Comcast in Philly has more pull wi…

If you think internet in the bay area is shit then you haven't seen how bad it can get. Even other large cities within California like LA and SD are worse.

Having lived in all three mentioned areas, none seemed particularly bad unless your standard is fiber straight to home. And seemed like Bay Area had more of that if anything.

Re: Two guys hated using Comcast, so they built their own fiber ISP

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> I'm one of their customers. It's pretty good - their provided router is locked down to hell and they're on a cgnat This sounds like mine. I'm guessing yours doesn't support IPv6 because most fiber providers don't. For the router, I already build firewalls so that. I pay $10/mo to escape their cgnat. I've also alerted them to expect regular haranguing from me about deploying IPv6. Especially since bgp.he.net shows t…

For me, no IPv6 = no business. I don't think it's acceptable to build a network on IPv4 only at this point, it speaks to being willing to cut corners and not do things the right way just because it's easier.

I wish I could say no IPv6 no business. There are only 2 ISPs here, one cable and one fiber. Neither have IPv6, the smaller ISP also does CGNAT because IPs are expensive. I'm trying to convince them that they could save money with less powerful CGNAT hardware if they deploy dual stack.

Re: Two guys hated using Comcast, so they built their own fiber ISP

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

*parts of the Bay Area. I'd say the majority of areas are still monopolized by Comcast, including my neighborhood of course.

If you haven't already, check to see if either Google Fiber or Monkeybrains is available in your area. Last I checked, the regs are still in place that prevent landlords from denying you access to an ISP of your choice.

Seconding monkeybrains - they can usually get to houses that the other ISPs can't/won't service, and speed is pretty spiffy

Re: Two guys hated using Comcast, so they built their own fiber ISP

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Sonic is doing this in sfba. Used to be att reseller now they lay their own fiber, 50% cheaper plans, byo router, ipv6 that actually works, great service.

Pardon my ignorance but what is the benefit to ipv6 for local, consumer internet?

Pretty much negative, I always disable it

Re: Two guys hated using Comcast, so they built their own fiber ISP

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I understand the need for independent fiber ISPs. But are gigabit speeds really necessary? For me, a 300 Mbps connection is way more than enough for a four-person family.

> But are gigabit speeds really necessary? For me, a 300 Mbps connection is way more than enough for a four-person family.

I'm certain that one could make a sound argument that 300 Mbps is not necessary for that four-person family, and they could make do with a much slower connection. Back in the day, folks would be asking if it's necessary for your Internet connection to be always on. After all, it's no hassle at all to plug the modem into the house phone line and unplug it when you're done!

For me, switching from a 1400/40mbps cable connection to a symmetric-but-variable 300-1000mbps Ethernet connection meant that I was doing the same sorts of things, but often spending much less time waiting for them to complete. Related to that, it also made "content creation"-esque things [0] much, much easier.

[0] Which I'm declaring is a category that includes uploading and downloading huge files while working from home as a programmer/"DevOps" guy.

Re: Two guys hated using Comcast, so they built their own fiber ISP

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I understand the need for independent fiber ISPs. But are gigabit speeds really necessary? For me, a 300 Mbps connection is way more than enough for a four-person family.

Depends on what you're doing, right? Let's take video streaming. I have a pretty compressed version of Arrival that's at 2GB and is a 4k movie ~2hrs long (the original file was ~2x the size). To stream that we need to do 2000Mb / (3600s * 2) = 277.8Mb/s. This also doesn't account for any buffering. This is one of my smaller 4k videos and more typical is going to be 3Gb-5Gb (e.g. Oppenheimer vs Children of Men). Arriv…

> I have a pretty compressed version of Arrival that's at 2GB and is a 4k movie ~2hrs long (the original file was ~2x the size). To stream that we need to do 2000Mb / (3600s * 2) = 277.8Mb/s.

Your math is WAY off.

2 gigabytes / 2 hours is only about 2.22 megabits/sec.

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