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Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Post by Coffeewine »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #114
jjani wrote: post #105

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Western governments just need to toughen up. If China tells Apple to stop doing something by next Monday, they'll have it changed by then. "But due process!!". For individuals and SMEs, sure. For mega companies, absolutely not . Getting to rake in billions of profits should come with a loss of privileges, not with a gain. That needs to be the trade-off.

>But due process!!". If only they would give the same due process to the users and app devs before they close their accounts. Companies want and exploit all the perks of the liberal democratic western societies that helped them make what they are today and reciprocate with defying the laws and tax avoidance, while bowing down to foreign dictatorships no problem. The only way you stop them abusing this is to put an ex…

If Careless People is to be believed, not even then. In that book Facebook was perfectly happy to have employees spend time in jail, as long as it wasn't Zuckerberg or Sandberg.

Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

komali2 wrote: post #134
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>But due process!!". If only they would give the same due process to the users and app devs before they close their accounts. Companies want and exploit all the perks of the liberal democratic western societies that helped them make what they are today and reciprocate with defying the laws and tax avoidance, while bowing down to foreign dictatorships no problem. The only way you stop them abusing this is to put an ex…

It's not just that people go to jail in the PRC, after all it's not like Tim Cook or other western executives need fear extradition to the PRC or something, it's more like because for better or (mostly) worse the PRC is a single party government, if one aspect of that government says "do this, or we close this 1.3 billion person market to you," it's a threat with actual teeth. In the USA any given administration can…

>it's not like Tim Cook or other western executives need fear extradition to the PRC or something

Tim Cook isn't going to jail in China, Apple has local employees of their branch that can go to jail and pretty sure they don't want to so they aren't gonna defy their government.

>I disagree with the "dictatorship of the proletariat" ideology

Sure, but then the masses easily switch their opinions when they see the whole due process is only for the super rich, and when they break the law it's an open and shut case.

Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

#143

Post by DanielHB »

sumeno wrote: post #133
pxeger1 wrote: post #113

Relatedly, all Google apps (e.g. Maps) on iOS try very hard to push Chrome on you (even though iOS Chrome still has to use WebKit). When you click an external link, they present you the options of Chrome, Google (the search app), or Safari. This happens even if you don't have Chrome/Google installed, so they take you to the App Store instead of opening the webpage. If you choose Safari, it still doesn't open Safari,…

I have never experienced this on iOS. I just tested it in Google maps and despite having Chrome installed it opened in Safari (my default) with no prompting or extra steps, it just immediately opened Safari

Are you in the EU?

Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Post by mahmoudhossam »

DanielHB wrote: post #143
sumeno wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have never experienced this on iOS. I just tested it in Google maps and despite having Chrome installed it opened in Safari (my default) with no prompting or extra steps, it just immediately opened Safari

Are you in the EU?

I am in the EU and I still get the nag screen sometimes, it's awful.

Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Post by nozzlegear »

dminik wrote: post #51
jadams84 wrote: post #19

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America innovates by using Korean screens, British CPU architecture, Japanese cameras, Chinese manufacturing, Australian invented Wi-Fi, ... God the US superiority complex can be insufferable.

We use our Civilization Ability "Globalism" to tie all of those disparate components into trillion-dollar consumer devices. It gives us a massive advantage and lets us run up the scoreboard.

Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Post by sumeno »

DanielHB wrote: post #143
sumeno wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have never experienced this on iOS. I just tested it in Google maps and despite having Chrome installed it opened in Safari (my default) with no prompting or extra steps, it just immediately opened Safari

Are you in the EU?

No

Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Post by giingyui »

pxeger1 wrote: post #113

Relatedly, all Google apps (e.g. Maps) on iOS try very hard to push Chrome on you (even though iOS Chrome still has to use WebKit). When you click an external link, they present you the options of Chrome, Google (the search app), or Safari. This happens even if you don't have Chrome/Google installed, so they take you to the App Store instead of opening the webpage. If you choose Safari, it still doesn't open Safari,…

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Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Post by technimad »

pxeger1 wrote: post #113

Relatedly, all Google apps (e.g. Maps) on iOS try very hard to push Chrome on you (even though iOS Chrome still has to use WebKit). When you click an external link, they present you the options of Chrome, Google (the search app), or Safari. This happens even if you don't have Chrome/Google installed, so they take you to the App Store instead of opening the webpage. If you choose Safari, it still doesn't open Safari,…

As a user I don’t get why Apple allows this user hostile behavior in an app they distribute in their app store.The platform has alternatives. iOS has a sharing sheet. iOS has a default browser setting (in EU).

Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Post by komali2 »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #142
komali2 wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just that people go to jail in the PRC, after all it's not like Tim Cook or other western executives need fear extradition to the PRC or something, it's more like because for better or (mostly) worse the PRC is a single party government, if one aspect of that government says "do this, or we close this 1.3 billion person market to you," it's a threat with actual teeth. In the USA any given administration can…

>it's not like Tim Cook or other western executives need fear extradition to the PRC or something Tim Cook isn't going to jail in China, Apple has local employees of their branch that can go to jail and pretty sure they don't want to so they aren't gonna defy their government. >I disagree with the "dictatorship of the proletariat" ideology Sure, but then the masses easily switch their opinions when they see the whole…

> Sure, but then the masses easily switch their opinions when they see the whole due process is only for the super rich, and when they break the law it's an open and shut case.

I'm a bit confused by this, can you help me understand what you mean?

Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Post by empath75 »

sumeno wrote: post #133
pxeger1 wrote: post #113

Relatedly, all Google apps (e.g. Maps) on iOS try very hard to push Chrome on you (even though iOS Chrome still has to use WebKit). When you click an external link, they present you the options of Chrome, Google (the search app), or Safari. This happens even if you don't have Chrome/Google installed, so they take you to the App Store instead of opening the webpage. If you choose Safari, it still doesn't open Safari,…

I have never experienced this on iOS. I just tested it in Google maps and despite having Chrome installed it opened in Safari (my default) with no prompting or extra steps, it just immediately opened Safari

This just started with me with youtube links last week. Super obnoxious.
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