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Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design

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Re: Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design

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Post by systoll »

zamadatix wrote: post #121
diggan wrote: post #4

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> where we are now (tabs on top, no wasted space) Tabs at the top is wasted space, I much prefer my tabs on the side instead, as most web content is taller than it is wide, and I have a widescreen monitor. I understand the choice of tabs on top when 640x480 was the most common resolution, but for desktop usage today? Tabs on top seems like an outdated layout choice.

I've always been sad "tabs + browser bar + title bar" (i.e. in a single row) at the top never seems to stick around as an option. On larger monitors this results in a near perfect utilization of space while still being able to have reasonably wide tab titles. Vivaldi & Floorp offer this through being highly customizable but they tend to have cracks around the edges of their use for the same reason. I was first introd…

…and the beta of macOS 26 has removed that Safari layout.

Re: Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design

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Post by JohnFen »

vladvasiliu wrote: post #19
criley2 wrote: post #7

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Having a widescreen monitor is irrelevant to me unless I fullscreen my browser (which I don't and I assume most don't). My (multiple) browser windows on my very big wide screen are all roughly in 4:3 ~square shape and top tabs make a lot more sense. And unless you have a browser full of tabs, vertical tab lists usually have massive amounts of purely wasted white space and are generally much less space efficient overa…

> And unless you have a browser full of tabs, vertical tab lists usually have massive amounts of purely wasted white space and are generally much less space efficient overall. The Firefox and Edge implementations have a collapsible panel for the vertical tabs. I agree if they didn't, it would be worse than horizontal tabs. However, my pet peeve is that it's now impossible to disable tabs altogether, say when using a…

> my pet peeve is that it's now impossible to disable tabs altogether

Yeah, being able to do that would be really nice.

Re: Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design

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Post by vips7L »

jacobyoder wrote: post #25
pbmonster wrote: post #9

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> Having a widescreen monitor is irrelevant to me unless I fullscreen my browser (which I don't and I assume most don't). Are you kidding? I'm willing to bet 99% of users run their browsers fullscreen. Using the drag-and-drop feature that splits the screen between two GUIs already marks the office power user, a third windows on a single screen brings us into the territory of the hardcore nerds running tiling window m…

> I'm willing to bet 99% of users run their browsers fullscreen. 99% of the folks I interact with usually just use whatever size the browser opens in initially, then maybe resize it if they're reading for a while, or need to see more info. If half a pic shows up, they might try to fumble to grab a handle to resize to see more of the pic; sometimes it works, sometimes they end up giving up. Going 'full screen' may be…

Do you interact with a lot of people using macs? I find that Mac users don’t maximize their windows. They leave them cluttered everywhere; all the people I know on Windows maximize their windows.

Re: Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design

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Post by criley2 »

vips7L wrote: post #143
jacobyoder wrote: post #25

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> I'm willing to bet 99% of users run their browsers fullscreen. 99% of the folks I interact with usually just use whatever size the browser opens in initially, then maybe resize it if they're reading for a while, or need to see more info. If half a pic shows up, they might try to fumble to grab a handle to resize to see more of the pic; sometimes it works, sometimes they end up giving up. Going 'full screen' may be…

Do you interact with a lot of people using macs? I find that Mac users don’t maximize their windows. They leave them cluttered everywhere; all the people I know on Windows maximize their windows.

Do you have a tiny monitor? I find that people with small mointors maximize their windows because they have to.

I have a 27" widescreen. The idea of maximizing a browser window is absurdity. My monitor can comfortably show three websites side by side. The amount of wasted white space on a full screen website would approach 90%.

Here's this very post fullscreened (without a taskbar). What a wild waste of space and the content is clearly not designed to be viewed like this, with the UX being located at the top left lol.

https://i.imgur.com/NPxks8b.png

Re: Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design

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Post by vips7L »

criley2 wrote: post #144
vips7L wrote: post #143

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Do you interact with a lot of people using macs? I find that Mac users don’t maximize their windows. They leave them cluttered everywhere; all the people I know on Windows maximize their windows.

Do you have a tiny monitor? I find that people with small mointors maximize their windows because they have to. I have a 27" widescreen. The idea of maximizing a browser window is absurdity. My monitor can comfortably show three websites side by side. The amount of wasted white space on a full screen website would approach 90%. Here's this very post fullscreened (without a taskbar). What a wild waste of space and the…

No I have the same size monitor. I don’t think HN is the best website to choose to make your point though.

Re: Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design

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Post by criley2 »

vips7L wrote: post #145
criley2 wrote: post #144

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Do you have a tiny monitor? I find that people with small mointors maximize their windows because they have to. I have a 27" widescreen. The idea of maximizing a browser window is absurdity. My monitor can comfortably show three websites side by side. The amount of wasted white space on a full screen website would approach 90%. Here's this very post fullscreened (without a taskbar). What a wild waste of space and the…

No I have the same size monitor. I don’t think HN is the best website to choose to make your point though.

Ok here's another one, a news site. https://i.imgur.com/4s6Jzvn.png

What does having 60% of my screen be purple do for me? Why would you choose that?

Re: Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design

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Post by vips7L »

criley2 wrote: post #146
vips7L wrote: post #145

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No I have the same size monitor. I don’t think HN is the best website to choose to make your point though.

Ok here's another one, a news site. https://i.imgur.com/4s6Jzvn.png What does having 60% of my screen be purple do for me? Why would you choose that?

Because that is clearly not the norm for webpages? You're picking deliberate low-tech html pages. HN and memeorandum are not representative of the internet at large.

Honestly, man I don't care for this conversation. You do you bae. I was merely offering an observation of what I've seen from people and you're not even talking about that.

Re: Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design

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Post by [deleted] »

vips7L wrote: post #147
criley2 wrote: post #146

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Ok here's another one, a news site. https://i.imgur.com/4s6Jzvn.png What does having 60% of my screen be purple do for me? Why would you choose that?

Because that is clearly not the norm for webpages? You're picking deliberate low-tech html pages. HN and memeorandum are not representative of the internet at large. Honestly, man I don't care for this conversation. You do you bae. I was merely offering an observation of what I've seen from people and you're not even talking about that.

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Re: Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design

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Post by phatskat »

conductr wrote: post #122
JohnFen wrote: post #74

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Options are good. I hate having tabs or other controls vertically on the side. I like them at the top. There's no reason we can't both be happy.

I generally have the same hatred but oddly on Mac OS I prefer the Dock on the right side. I've been dual Win/Mac user and have had this preference on Mac for a long time. Not sure why as it goes against almost everything else I do LOL

I had my Mac dock on the side for a while, but I’m back to bottom dock as I work with two external monitors and just leave the dock on the laptop display. I also had the taskbar on the left of my Win2k setup for quite some time but these days I hardly use windows outside of gaming so it just stays where it is by default

Re: Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design

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Post by phatskat »

naysunjr wrote: post #80
JohnFen wrote: post #74

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Options are good. I hate having tabs or other controls vertically on the side. I like them at the top. There's no reason we can't both be happy.

Yeah this. What should irk about search bar is cannot be moved. The static nature of UI these days stinks when back in the day we aimed for more composable user facing apps. Mod games by dumping a model file in a dir; boomed recomposed the experience. Now it’s all micro transactions so an MBA doesn’t have to work anymore. Now those are power user and dev tools and users get what they decided was the just right info d…

I still fall a slight bit in love when an application has a “Customize…” option attached to the menu/ribbon/whatever. I had Word set up just the way I wanted it some 20 years ago
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