"World" seems to be much like "US" from my southern European point of view
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#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
Exactly, I'm with you. People who claim to "advocate for moderation" or for "depolarization" are always enemy agents or AI bots who get paid a salary from the enemy to try to weaken us. We must stand firm in our psychological self defence, and only listen to verified and trusted sources and people. We have to diligently prune our friend groups and family from those who have been infected with wrongthink and started w…
Jesus Christ, the sarcasm is thick. You even used the word "wrongthink". It's not a conspiracy or anything like you're describing, it's that moderate politics is often just... wrong. Believe it or not, there's sometimes a right answer, and a wrong answer. And if you go "in the middle" you end up being wrong. I mean, take a small gander a history. There's usually a right answer... and a wrong one. Typically, in the mo…
I don't think anyone thought the 3/5s compromise was morally correct, people either didn't care or were willing to live with it in pursuit of another goal.
Also, as you said: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_to_moderation there's a name for it!
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#143Earlier quoted context omitted.
You say this like you think you're making some kind of clever point. Just to pick one easy example, the confederate states of america employed agents to advocate for peace treaties and cease fires during the civil war. By all reasonable classifications, they were "enemy agents trying to weaken our resolve". Would some people have benefitted from a peace treaty? Of course. Would everyone have benefitted equally? Obvio…
Exactly, I'm with you. People who claim to "advocate for moderation" or for "depolarization" are always enemy agents or AI bots who get paid a salary from the enemy to try to weaken us. We must stand firm in our psychological self defence, and only listen to verified and trusted sources and people. We have to diligently prune our friend groups and family from those who have been infected with wrongthink and started w…
The point I'm making, which you are either unable or unwilling to grasp, is that being moderate is not the same thing as being correct. Sometimes the right position is an extreme one. Fighting hitler is a pretty easy example.
There's a particularly annoying form of cowardice that involves refusing to take a position and then pretending this is some kind of moral high ground.
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#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
Tell me more about how there are two "progressively extreme groups" but also "doing the same shit". How do you get more centrist and status quo than freaking joe biden, hillary clinton and kamala harris? Name one "extreme" position they held.
Extreme in their lack of interest or tolerance of opposing viewpoints that drowns out meaningful conversation. The kind of thing that allowed Biden to get so far into the re-election cycle, etc. My favorite recent example is one ive heard from numerous people in real life, is suggesting that the main reason Kamala lost was because she was a woman. Or confusion at all the Texas border counties flipping to Trump. Dems…
> Extreme in their lack of interest or tolerance of opposing viewpoints that drowns out meaningful conversation.
Again, this is.. biden or kamala or clinton? Are the people in power in this political power advocating for extreme positions or acting intolerantly?
Is it intolerant to refuse to consider the idea of deporting 65 million american citizens of latino descent? What is the correct response for this in your world?
As for Dems and balldropping, this is an extremely complicated subject that is way too broad and deep for this little text box, but before any discussion took place, I'd have to advance the argument that, given the behaviour of the various major news organisations during the last decade or so, I'd have to ask, were people voting based on what democrats actually did, or what they were told they did?
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#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is it ok to use it, or should I wait until it's officially announced? (P.S. been paying for Kagi search since January, very happy with it)
Kagi News (formerly Kite) Product Manager here, You can use the website and even make it a web app if you want. We’ll be releasing a mobile version that will be better suited but will have the same features :)
Will you have an RSS feed that can be integrated into Tapestry (mobile app by Iconfactory)?
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#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
This seems like a perfect example of the weirdness of our overton window. Is the the guardian out here campaigning for socialism and democracy and labor right and gender equality and such?
Yes it definitely supports those things. It will give platforms to those campaigning for those things. It is a newspaper so its job is to report but not necessarily campaign. But look at the subheadings on the Opion page to see what opinons it pushes.
citation needed
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#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
>That's not true. Bias and agenda have always existed, but there was a time when news sources clearly distinguished facts from opinions. In the US the shift arguably happened in 1987 when the fairness doctrine was abolished, and for-profit media companies were given freedom to publish anything they wanted. It's plausible that pre-1987 that journalism was better but I very much doubt it. There's tons of Vietnam war er…
> It's plausible that pre-1987 that journalism was better but I very much doubt it. Thankfully, you can look up archive footage and print media to confirm this. Or talk to people who lived it. > There's tons of Vietnam war era journalism that was terribly bad. I didn't say all of it was good. I said that that the line between fact and opinion was clearer. I'm not that old, but I remember when newspapers had an editor…
>I'll refrain from replying again.
I bet, you're straight up calling for government state propaganda and the end of freedom of the press. You're literally my enemy.
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#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It's plausible that pre-1987 that journalism was better but I very much doubt it. Thankfully, you can look up archive footage and print media to confirm this. Or talk to people who lived it. > There's tons of Vietnam war era journalism that was terribly bad. I didn't say all of it was good. I said that that the line between fact and opinion was clearer. I'm not that old, but I remember when newspapers had an editor…
>I'll refrain from replying again. I bet, you're straight up calling for government state propaganda and the end of freedom of the press. You're literally my enemy.
What is fascinating is that you're unable to see that we want the same things, since you are blinded by social media, and conditioned to see those who challenge your thinking as the enemy.
This exchange is a good example of the damage these technologies are doing to civil discourse.
Farewell.
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#149> World doesn't live in echo chambers. The reality emerges from the collision of different viewpoints and perspectives - that's how we separate signal from noise To be honest, when people start talking about "echo chambers" it's usually because they are upset that I won't listen to bigoted alt-right hate. For me this term has gained a really negative connotation. I understand the problem but hearing the same tired ra…
I liked Josh Barro's characterization of BlueSky: "Bluesky Isn't a Bubble. It's a Containment Dome."[0]
[0] https://www.joshbarro.com/p/bluesky-isnt-a-bubble-its-a-cont...
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#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
Extreme in their lack of interest or tolerance of opposing viewpoints that drowns out meaningful conversation. The kind of thing that allowed Biden to get so far into the re-election cycle, etc. My favorite recent example is one ive heard from numerous people in real life, is suggesting that the main reason Kamala lost was because she was a woman. Or confusion at all the Texas border counties flipping to Trump. Dems…
> Extreme in their lack of interest or tolerance of opposing viewpoints that drowns out meaningful conversation. Again, this is.. biden or kamala or clinton? Are the people in power in this political power advocating for extreme positions or acting intolerantly? Is it intolerant to refuse to consider the idea of deporting 65 million american citizens of latino descent? What is the correct response for this in your wo…
> Again, this is.. biden or kamala or clinton?
The state of the left in general, which is effectively what led to Kamala (a bad candidate) leading the Democratic Party instead of someone that had a more legitimate chance of winning. The example I provided was the (otherwise smart) people I know saying "We just can't have a woman candidate" as though _that_ were the reason she lost. It's difficult to have that conversation - they look at you like a complete jerk when you suggest... no that's not the reason she lost. Which is what OP was getting at.
> Is it intolerant to refuse to consider the idea of deporting 65 million american citizens of latino descent? What is the correct response for this in your world?
What is the intent of this exactly? This isn't the issue swing voters I know of reference in thinking Biden / D's were bad on immigration. They would refer to the surge in (illegal) immigration.
> I'd have to ask, were people voting based on what democrats actually did, or what they were told they did?
One of (or the?) Kamala's first network appearance involved her opening with responding to "What would you do different" with "Nothing in particular... and I was involved in a lot of the important decisions". It is difficult to even imagine what would lead to her saying such a thing if not an echo chamber but, certainly that kind of thing impacted a lot of swing voters. 2020-2024 was a very bad time for a lot of people. You need to tackle that head on.