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GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Post by rrreese »

Nicole060 wrote: post #77
ajross wrote: post #32

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My experience (which is a little stale) of watching "photoshop experts" is that this is a familiarity effect. Photoshop workflows are uniformly bizarre and awful, in my experience. Serious practitioners are like voodoo priests, pulling tools out that have no sane relevance to the problem at hand and making them work. But it works, because you know it really well and have spent (literally, in most cases) years perfect…

And my experience is that people who say the same thing as you do are ignorant who have never used either Photoshop, The GIMP or have no business using either and should stay with something like Picasa. For the record, The GIMP doesn't even have what we call "Non-Destructive editing" which allows to make a change to some of the filters and transformations you did on the image much later even when the image has been t…

Looking at the roadmap: http://wiki.gimp.org/index.php/Roadmap it seems there won't be non destructive editing for quite some time either (several versions).

I've tried Gimp numerous times, and the lack of smart objects/filters makes it a complete non starter. Generally I found I could do most of the things I wanted to in Gimp, but they required many, many more steps.

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Post by zyb09 »

DenisM wrote: post #80

Any thoughts on this new GIMP vis-a-vis Photoshop Elements? I don't mind paying <$100 for a decent graphics editor. My primary use case is tweaking screenshots, app icons, buttons, and the like for my iOS apps and the web site. I want to get in and out as quick as possible, so I can get back to my other work.

GIMP, tried out a lot of image editors and imho it goes like this: Photoshop > GIMP > Elements > Pixelmator. Pixelmator has a really nice UI, but it's lacking features left and right. Photoshop is still the nicest, especially for coders, who don't know what they are doing (real artist only need a canvas and a brush anyway).

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Post by mkup »

sbuk wrote: post #131
hnriot wrote: post #120

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so far I have a 0% conversion rate that's not surprising given that the GIMP pales by comparison to photoshop. There's just no comparison. I think the high price of Adobe Creative suite has always been there because any professional uses it and buys it, but Adobe knows there are many illegal copies used by students and they just assume they one day will get jobs and then they will be paid users, meanwhile the illegal…

Photoshop is hardly a beacon of software done right. In my experience (been using Photoshop pretty much everyday since 1991) it has got considerably more bloated and unstable with each release, the exception perhaps being 5.5. The benefit that Photoshop has is familiarity and Adobe's pricing structure is that of an abusive monopoly - they know they can charge as much as they do because they have a monopoly. This mono…

Also there's Paint.NET on PC. It's fast, not bloated with useless functions (yet), and freeware. I've switched to it from Photoshop a few months ago and never regret my decision.

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Post by stuaxo »

bad_user wrote: post #140
hnriot wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

so far I have a 0% conversion rate that's not surprising given that the GIMP pales by comparison to photoshop. There's just no comparison. I think the high price of Adobe Creative suite has always been there because any professional uses it and buys it, but Adobe knows there are many illegal copies used by students and they just assume they one day will get jobs and then they will be paid users, meanwhile the illegal…

Your comment is bullshit and lacks substance, the kind of opinion born out of ignorance, sorry to say it. First of all, it is surprising because people put themselves at risk of fines or even jail by using unlicensed copies. If you don't like paying that much for software, then don't freaking use it and search for something cheaper. You don't freaking need all that functionality. Students and schools also get discoun…

Wow, very cool tutorial.

Am surprised someone hasn't got round to making a script of it.

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Post by stuaxo »

rrreese wrote: post #141
Nicole060 wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And my experience is that people who say the same thing as you do are ignorant who have never used either Photoshop, The GIMP or have no business using either and should stay with something like Picasa. For the record, The GIMP doesn't even have what we call "Non-Destructive editing" which allows to make a change to some of the filters and transformations you did on the image much later even when the image has been t…

Looking at the roadmap: http://wiki.gimp.org/index.php/Roadmap it seems there won't be non destructive editing for quite some time either (several versions). I've tried Gimp numerous times, and the lack of smart objects/filters makes it a complete non starter. Generally I found I could do most of the things I wanted to in Gimp, but they required many, many more steps.

Though it won't be several versions; they're looking to move to a much quicker release cycle - so shouldn't be as long as it took for GEGL to get included in the first place.

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Post by unwind »

There was some confusion about whether this release (which wasn't done by the "ordinary" Mac OS X package maintainer) meant that the role had been appointed to someone else: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2012-Aug....

I hope that is getting resolved, it's always painful to see large projects like GIMP suffer from "people problems" and developers become disgruntled as a result.

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Post by LaGrange »

vacri wrote: post #136
pfedor wrote: post #127

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The comment you replied to says nothing about professionals, and there is some truth to the claim that compared with a camera/lens that is any good Photoshop's license won't hurt your wallet. Also, I've used Gimp a bunch and I've read the Gimp book from Apress and as far as I can tell there really is no such thing in Gimp as the non-destructive editing Nicole060 describes (assuming I understood the description correc…

I can't tell the price in the US, but here in Aus, Photoshop is $1168. That's around the price of a reasonable SLR body (and 3 times the price of entry level SLRs), so it's a bit over-the-top to characterise it as 'measly'. The only context this price being 'measly' belongs in is 'professional'. edit: found US price is $699 (before tax, Aus is post-tax). That's still not 'measly' in any context other than professiona…

The general idea is that before becoming a professional you're a student, and get a very significant student discount.

Of course, this essentially puts one more barrier for people who can't afford formal studies. And especially with the DRM becoming more and more effective, I've actually seen this being a significant obstacle for designers-in-spe from e.g. Poland (where even the discounted price is quite a lot of money). They deal with it, one way or another, but it's always a huge strain.

As for the established professionals for whom the price isn't terrible -- well, good for you, pat yourself on the back for being rich. Less competition that way, or something.

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Post by stuaxo »

stan_rogers wrote: post #85
dantheta wrote: post #26

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I'm not sure about photoshop killer ... although I do suspect that outside of the professional class of photoshop user (webdevs, print designers etc), a great many people who have a less-than-legitimate copy of photoshop and dramatically under-utilize its features could do worse than try out Gimp. These are the users for whom an entire copy of photoshop is massive overkill and a terrible waste - the absence of some p…

The real missing piece is 8BF (Photoshop plugin) compatibility. There is an entire ecosystem of productivity enhancement out there that's missing from the GIMP, at least from the professional photographer's point of view, that, absent a coding pro photographer scratching his own itch, probably isn't going to be filled. Selling a $200 plugin for a $600 program to reduce image turn-around times by an hour apiece works…

A really quick google found this

http://registry.gimp.org/taxonomy/term/366

"This plug-in enables you to use the vast number of existing filters made for Photoshop's Filter Factory"

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Post by archangel_one »

drivebyacct2 wrote: post #106
nsxwolf wrote: post #87

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That's odd. I don't think I've ever seen this behavior. I just tried it with Pages and the application remained open.

It seems to be one of non-Mac users biggest complaints but I love it. I can close my Chrome windows and remove the clutter without having to pay the cost of having it start up again. It's a good-bad habit because then I go to Linux and Ctrl+W all my tabs and then hit Ctrl+T and realize my mistake.

The thing that confuses me the most about it is when I close the last window of an app, 95% of the screen shows the app beneath it but the menus are still for the app I just closed. I guess that's partly a crossover with the focus model as well, but it's just a bit alien to me. As you say, it's really a non-Mac user thing; I only use OSX 5% of the time at work so never really get used to it.

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Post by stuaxo »

tomwalsham wrote: post #95
DanBC wrote: post #8

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For people who need to put some text on an image[1] or who need to tweak some minor stuff gimp is a "photoshop killer" - and it's nice to push people to legally free software rather than a pirate download of Photoshop. [1] But see this gimp document - the first returned hit in a search for [gimp drop shadow text] - which appears to be weirdly complex. http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/The_Basics/

Speaking of weirdly complex, I've always been a fan of the totally deadpan delivery of the 'Straight Line Tutorial' [gimp lacks a 'line' or 'shape' tool] http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Straight_Line/

I've been lambasted for not knowing how to do this in gimp... all I wanted was an icon somewhere!
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