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Entry-level jobs down by a third since launch of ChatGPT

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Re: Entry-level jobs down by a third since launch of ChatGPT

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These jobs are being offshored to India. You can tell by how they're massively hiring there. Google launches largest office in India https://www.entrepreneur.com/en-in/news-and-trends/google-la... Microsoft India head says no layoffs in India https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/technology/tech-news/mic...

Worked with Indians. Extremely aggressive, yet capable enough and organized. Not surprised. With ChatGPT making hiring in the US far more expensive yet inadequate enough to make hiring Indians a necessity. Just know your security both online and offline if you have to work with them in your ranks. They won't stop with just eating your lunch.

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post #8

It's not AI. We are in a recession caused by fear and instability. Tech may just be dying in general. This could finally be the collapse we have been waiting for. While the US was allowing capitalists to hoard all of the USs excess capital, China was facilitating the development of important industries via central planning. Look at Intel. The owning class has become so greedy and incompetent. They aren't even running…

Look at Nvidia (also US company) instead of Intel, it's what now, a $3T market cap? BTW, that capital was created, not hoarded. Many companies fade from glory or their peak at various times, but capitalism ensures that a dynamic and ever-shifting set of companies is thriving based on demand and efficiency. The train keeps going.

"market cap" is not captial that has been created

Re: Entry-level jobs down by a third since launch of ChatGPT

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These jobs are being offshored to India. You can tell by how they're massively hiring there. Google launches largest office in India https://www.entrepreneur.com/en-in/news-and-trends/google-la... Microsoft India head says no layoffs in India https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/technology/tech-news/mic...

Worked with Indians. Extremely aggressive, yet capable enough and organized. Not surprised. With ChatGPT making hiring in the US far more expensive yet inadequate enough to make hiring Indians a necessity. Just know your security both online and offline if you have to work with them in your ranks. They won't stop with just eating your lunch.

Aggressive in what way?

Re: Entry-level jobs down by a third since launch of ChatGPT

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> However, entry-level opportunities have taken a significant hit, dropping by nearly a third since the advent of widely available generative AI tools at the end of 2022.

As others have pointed out, we're off the back of COVID and money is tight. Most companies are looking to shrink team sizes, hence the lack of hiring. AI tools have almost zero relevance, and the rest of the article does not substantiate the claim at all.

> Despite this, year-on-year growth remained positive at +0.49%, marking the third consecutive month of annual improvement and suggesting a slow but steady recovery from the recent market slump.

There are things that can be done to screw with numbers, but it only works for a short time. The UK for example only counts unemployment as those actively looking for work, but it is well known that there is a growing number of permanently unemployed which is hidden. The number of people applying for PIP (a type of disability allowance typically awarded to those unable to work) is growing by 1k a day [0]. In perspective, the population of the UK grows by ~1.6k a day and is projected to fall.

The growth figure is likely based on the ONS [1], which are constantly having to revise their figures for data that was already available at the time of publication [2] - they do this a lot. One hack by this government is when they grew the public sector at the cost of the private sector, which is unsustainable. A company I know halved their employees but still pay the same amount of national insurance, so the economic value per employee is reduced due to increased overheads.

This is not unique to the UK, though. I speak to many Europeans that go through a similar situation, and I hear of similar stories throughout the West. The EU for example has a growing issue with ECB bond management where it plays games to to try to bring down borrowing costs. The Japanese market, a large purchaser of foreign debt, is starting to get concerned [2], and signals a potential crisis for the US to be able to borrow at low rates. From all accounts China is just about keeping their head above the water and are pulling a lot of tricks.

[0] https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jun/24/pat-mcfadde...

[1] https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulle...

[2] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/business-68680004

[3] https://www.reuters.com/markets/asia/japan-consider-buying-b...

Re: Entry-level jobs down by a third since launch of ChatGPT

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post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An awful lot of graduate positions in the U.K. are things like customer service, account management, paralegal, data analysis. These categories have seen broad application of AI tools: - CS, you’ll most likely talk to an LLM for first tier support these days. - Account management comprises pressing the flesh (human required) and responding to emails - the latter, AMs have seen their workload slashed, so it stands to…

There's always a new tech frontier. Like, weaving machines replaced looms, cars replaced carriages, and now it's AI. Each time, we need a new kind of worker. We shouldn't worry about jobs changing or vanishing, but we should worry that we won't learn and teach the new stuff fast enough.

There is a huge difference.

If I am running a factory that use to create carriages and now creates cars, I need people who can create cars now. If I want to expand the number of customers I serve, I need to hire more people.

If I am a software company, I don’t need to scale the number of software engineers I hire to serve more customers.

Since gen AI has been a thing, I mostly pivoted to more strategy based cloud consulting than hands on keyboard software development. But before Gen AI, I would have needed a couple of junior developers to do the grunt work of implementing well defined implementations. Now I can do both the strategy and implementations in the same amount of time.

Even before Gen AI the entire reason that software engineers get paid so much because software development has high fixed costs but near zero marginal costs. No other industry has been like that historically.

Re: Entry-level jobs down by a third since launch of ChatGPT

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These jobs are being offshored to India. You can tell by how they're massively hiring there. Google launches largest office in India https://www.entrepreneur.com/en-in/news-and-trends/google-la... Microsoft India head says no layoffs in India https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/technology/tech-news/mic...

Worked with Indians. Extremely aggressive, yet capable enough and organized. Not surprised. With ChatGPT making hiring in the US far more expensive yet inadequate enough to make hiring Indians a necessity. Just know your security both online and offline if you have to work with them in your ranks. They won't stop with just eating your lunch.

There is little substance to this comment other than stereotypes about India. I don't like this kind of generalization -- there are over a billion Indians, let's not lump them all together in a caricature
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