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Post by remus »

foooorsyth wrote: post #134
aqme28 wrote: post #130

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Interesting. I feel like this clause is violated very often by major apps: > Push Notifications should not be used for promotions or direct marketing purposes unless customers have explicitly opted in to receive them via consent language displayed in your app’s UI, and you provide a method in your app for a user to opt out from receiving such messages.

I’ve said several times before that notifications should be reportable as spam directly to Google/Apple, just like email spam reporting. Google tried to tackle this with notification channels, but the onus falls on the developer to actually use them honestly. No company trying to draw attention back to their app with advertisement notifications will willingly name a notification channel “advertisements” or “user re-e…

> Google tried to tackle this with notification channels, but the onus falls on the developer to actually use them honestly. No company trying to draw attention back to their app with advertisement notifications will willingly name a notification channel “advertisements” or “user re-engagement” or similar — they’ll just interleave spam with all the non-spam. This API from G hasn’t worked.

Revolut are really annoying for this. I'm sure there's a few spare days In their development cycle for someone to implement it if they wanted to, but instead they keep everything on the same channel which is 50% promo shit, because you don't want to miss that notification warning you about fraudulent activity on your card.

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Post by Xss3 »

Veen wrote: post #83
bambax wrote: post #60

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> lack of openness Lack of openness means lack of privacy. If we can't install apps on the side that have proper adblock filtering, then all the promises in the world are hollow.

Lack of openness means a lack of privacy in theory, but in practice, openness often results in less privacy. The average user lacks the knowledge, time, and motivation to install and configure open systems to maximize privacy. They're likely to make mistakes that expose private data. A closed system that prioritizes privacy will result in more users benefiting from greater privacy overall, even if it does give the pl…

Such a false dichotomy that open automatically means insecure and leaky due to user error.

Sensible defaults and warnings about changing them is all you need to put any argument of 'bad for privacy' down.

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Post by necovek »

keiferski wrote: post #40

Apple without Ive and Jobs increasingly has a taste problem. Everything from their ads to things like this are just in really poor taste, and aren’t something that they would have done 15 years ago because they would have thought it was beneath their brand. I like Apple, so I’m really hoping they bring on someone to solve this. Otherwise they’re on track to be the same as every other tasteless tech company. More on t…

Until it shows up in the bottom line, they will have all the metrics and data they need to continue pushing this way.

The old adage of "vote with your (physical?) wallet" holds double here.

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Post by moomoo11 »

troupo wrote: post #121
jama211 wrote: post #108

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They did loads of tacky things back in the day, we’ve just forgotten about them.

Modern Apple can't even do tacky things. Tacky things under Jobs were failed experiments. Modern Apple doesn't believe in either experiments or failed experiments.

I think back then their stock was so bad that anything to make it go up was a good thing.

Now Apple is a multi trillion dollar company and they can’t take as much risk.

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Post by gyomu »

ksec wrote: post #51

The problem isn't sending an Ad to Wallet. It is the fact that Apple openly attack Ads, condemns Ads, talk about privacy as fundamental human rights, and then have targeted Ads, in a place / software / services where no body expected it to appear. And not everybody has the Ad, so by HN / Reddit / Internet definition that Ad is targeted. The thing I used to like about Apple, even if you disagree with some of its decis…

> Now Apple has become just another cooperate entity but with design team holding sufficient political power.

You’d be surprised to hear how much the political power of the design team within Apple has eroded over the last decade.

Here’s a little game of insider Apple baseball:

1) why do you think the chief of design isn’t on this page? https://www.apple.com/leadership/

2) from the SVPs on that same page, who do you think the chief of design reports to?

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Post by Xss3 »

trinix912 wrote: post #67
pmontra wrote: post #41

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Advertising on old style TV, newspapers, billboards did not impact on privacy. Even non targeted advertising on the web can impact privacy because our browsers send requests to the ad servers and that's the beginning of fingerprinting, even with Javascript disabled.

The only way it would work on the web while fully preserving privacy would be if (1) ads were stored on the server of the website you're accessing or proxied by it, and (2) the website owner would never give the ad provider server logs. It can be done (and used to be).

When i first got into web hosting in the early noughties this is how i remember it being done. Want to advertise my game server on some site? Provide an image url and a link url. That was it.

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Post by lodovic »

tokioyoyo wrote: post #120
ZenoArrow wrote: post #78

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> There are about ~1.4B right now. What are you basing this on, the total number of iPhones sold since 2007? If so, it doesn't account for the users that have bought multiple iPhones.

I did quick Googling, and it sounded about right. Roughly 50% USA, 20% China, 50% Japan, 30% Europe, 3% India already is a big number.

I used a llm to sum your percentages and counted only 785,644,479 people. That's just over half the 1.4B claim. However, it also linked to articles that showed that as of 2025, there are approximately 1.38 to 1.56 billion active iPhone users worldwide. So the percentages may be misleading but the number is correct.

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Post by moomoo11 »

trinix912 wrote: post #73
tokioyoyo wrote: post #63

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There were ~60M iPhone users when Jobs was the CEO. There are about ~1.4B right now. Both respectively accomplished very respectable things. It’s not selling for a quick buck if he was able to scale the business to such degrees. That being said, I agree that Apple makes a lot of wrongs.

Part of the appeal of Apple was that not everyone and their mom just had an Apple device. They heavily played on that, similar to how fashion does. That "exclusivity" (sort of) is gone now, and it shows with Apple trying to create likable, noncontroversial designs for the larger crowd. They try to make up for it with prices, but it misses the point.

Apple became Gucci

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Post by bombcar »

hshshshshsh wrote: post #56
keiferski wrote: post #40

Apple without Ive and Jobs increasingly has a taste problem. Everything from their ads to things like this are just in really poor taste, and aren’t something that they would have done 15 years ago because they would have thought it was beneath their brand. I like Apple, so I’m really hoping they bring on someone to solve this. Otherwise they’re on track to be the same as every other tasteless tech company. More on t…

Yeah. One thing I learned working at a Big company is that companies are full of parasites who are there to get their promotion or salary increase and don't give a cat shit about users or mission or values. Honestly it sucked any joy out of my life but I am stuck here because of visa.

You almost need (not going to be definitive because some big companies just need to execute the same operations for hundreds of years) a Jobs or Gates or someone who doesn't believe their own bullshit and is willing to say "this sucks, we're shitcanning it."

Otherwise you get generic slop, eventually.

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Post by nottorp »

keiferski wrote: post #46
dubcanada wrote: post #45

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Jobs has been gone for almost 15 years. From what I know Ive had nothing to do with anything but design aesthetic. I am not sure either of these people have anything to do with ads on Apple Wallet. Or even Apple Wallet…

The entire reason Apple made devices that were a level above competitors is because the design wasn’t just the aesthetic. Ive was chief designer and so obviously had a key impact.

Key impact like the shit emoji keyboard that couldn't survive a single speck of dust?
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