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Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by bramhaag »

onli wrote: post #6
exabrial wrote: post #4

ahhh I wish GrapheneOS was supported on these!

CalyxOS support Fairphones. It is a better option anyway, also supports bootloader relocking etc.

In which ways is CalyxOS "better"?

This comparison is pretty damning: https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm

Calyx is _not_ a hardened OS, and runs on devices with insecure hardware and firmware (like a Fairphone). Additionally, app compatibility suffers because they use microG instead of proper sandboxed Gapps, and also lacks many QoL features that guard against hostile apps (storage scopes, contact scopes, ...).

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by beeflet »

blakeashleyjr wrote: post #83

Dreams: >Framework-like upgradability / repairability / modularity >Support for GrapheneOS >Sold in USA

Their phones are sold in the USA through Murena. I've bought a fairphone 4 through them. It was preloaded with eOS but I loaded calyxOS on it, which is similar to GrapheneOS.

https://murena.com/products/smartphones/

It also supports a lot of linux distributions, including UBPorts and postmarketOS.

I wish that they would just stick with one form factor and do the "framework computer" approach though.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by beeflet »

bramhaag wrote: post #112
blakeashleyjr wrote: post #83

Dreams: >Framework-like upgradability / repairability / modularity >Support for GrapheneOS >Sold in USA

GrapheneOS support for Fairphone is unlikely to ever happen. Their hardware is too insecure to satisfy GOS's reasonable requirements [1] and have stated that they aren't interested in improving it [2]. Software is also lacking and they've partnered with Murena [3], who has been slinging shit at GOS [4]. On a more positive note, due to the AOSP/Pixel drama there now is a real possibility a different major OEM will be…

I think that secure elements pose a greater disadvantage to the consumer due to vendor lockdown than the advantages in physical security make up for.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by svachalek »

Gigachad wrote: post #130
thallium205 wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My wife and her sister can unlock each other’s iPhones using the face unlock feature which blows my mind because they do NOT look super similar and are 4 years apart. I’ve turned off all biometrics and use only a PIN. I’m extremely skeptical of the tech.

Two situations I can think of, they might have Bluetooth unlock with an apple watch enabled, or they might have the work with masks setting turned on which turns the accuracy to shit.

Your watch should not unlock someone else's phone though.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by Gigachad »

svachalek wrote: post #144
Gigachad wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Two situations I can think of, they might have Bluetooth unlock with an apple watch enabled, or they might have the work with masks setting turned on which turns the accuracy to shit.

Your watch should not unlock someone else's phone though.

The point is if you have watch unlock enabled and someone unlocks your phone standing right next to you, it's still in range to unlock your phone with your watch.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by GrantMoyer »

OkayPhysicist wrote: post #80
Spunkie wrote: post #29

Still no headphone jack makes this a nonstarter, lame.

How often are you listening to music on your phone while it's charging? (because otherwise you can always just attach an adapter onto your headphones to make it USB-C). Seems like a weird hang up.

My phone is not the only device I use my ear buds with. Having to contantly attach and remove a usb-c adapter would be a complete pain in the ass. It's not just a matter of plugging it in — which would already be bad enough. I'd also need somewhere to store it, and I'd need to pack and unpack it each time. All that, or I could just buy a phone with a standard headphone port.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by xmprt »

h4ck_th3_pl4n3t wrote: post #88
jack_pp wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's about planned obsolescence. It's about cutting costs and having one less hole water can get in. Also wired headphones are a very niche market. If you care so much there are wireless DACs that can feed your wired headphones better than any phone in history.

> It's about cutting costs and having one less hole water can get in. That's a lazy excuse. Every single IP68 rugged phone has a headphone jack. And the ones that are more waterproof even made for diving with them also have one.

Those rugged phones are also thicker and more expensive for what you're getting. Mainstream companies have tried offering the headphone jack in some phones and every single time, those phone have undersold their jackless competitors.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by craftkiller »

9283409232 wrote: post #74
summermusic wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The GrapheneOS developers had this to say about Fairphone back in 2021: “It's not possible for GrapheneOS to support @Fairphone devices because they're far from meeting even the most basic security requirements. They haven't come close and it doesn't appear to be a priority for them.“ I also would love a Fairphone-like device running GrapheneOS, but I don’t think Fairphone is going to be the company to deliver to Gra…

I remember them saying that. I would've hoped Fairphone would up their hardware security standards since then.

From a couple days ago:

> It's not feasible for Fairphone to make a device meeting our requirements any time soon.

https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/114711328082841462

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by nialv7 »

jack_pp wrote: post #138
chaosharmonic wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My hotter take is that this is the same problem as IR blasters, and relative to the old normal -- when device makers like LG were specifically advertising how awesome their built-in DAC was -- this whole thing could be solved in a much more elegant, flexible way if anyone at all would just give us a second fucking USB port.

Sony tried to compete with the best camera, best DAC and I don't think those phones sold. Manufacturers build products the market wants. Wired headphones are not what the market wants. If you are a true purist you buy stuff from fiio and carry more then one device. This is the same thing as with small phones. A vocal minority cried far and wide that they wanted them. Apple made them.. and they did, not, sell.

I don't know if you meant it but you seem to imply that that vocal minority only cried but didn't buy the small phones?

You know a minority is a _minority_, even if everyone in that minority bought a iPhone Mini, the sales number is still not going to be high.

(Edit: just checked, in 2022, 3% of iPhones sold were 13 Minis. not high but surely someone out there can run a sustainable business out of that 3% of mobile phones)

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by TylerE »

andrewmcwatters wrote: post #18
godelski wrote: post #7

They mention the Pixel and I just got to say, I wish someone would bring back the fingerprint reader on the back of the phone. That was seriously the best solution. Fastest way to unlock your phone, because no matter how slow the fingerprint reader is you activate it while pulling it out of your pocket. I honestly don't get why people like Face ID more (what I currently use). Someone, please bring this back

I hate Face ID so much. I hate being asked for my PIN for every single little thing I do. I already unlocked my phone, please stop asking me. If I grabbed it, YES, I WANT TO DO THE THING! -Exhausted Apple user also wanting easier authentication

The one thing that grinds my gears is how they made it mandatory for lock page widgets. I don’t need my smart lights faceid protected when I’m trying to turn them on in the middle of the night
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