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Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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Re: Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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Post by cheema33 »

dismalaf wrote: post #18

Did everyone miss the last line of the article and/or is everyone unaware of the fact this particular prosecutor has been suspended and is being investigated by the police for rape? Kind of pertinent to the story... His official work email was suspended because he's suspended from the organization...

> His official work email was suspended because he's suspended from the organization...

At my organization, if an employee is suspended, I don't expect Microsoft to manage it. We have to do it ourselves. It is different elsewhere?

Re: Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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Post by IAmGraydon »

luckylion wrote: post #95
dragonwriter wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ICC isn't biased against Israel, it just lacks the bias that the US has where it ignores and is actively complicit in Israeli crimes.

It is somewhat surprising though that they did not consider indicting Khamenei, Assad, Sinwar, or Haniyeh, isn't it?

They were seeking indictments of both Sinwar and Haniyeh and then they were both killed.

Re: Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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Post by NewJazz »

boston_clone wrote: post #92
whatshisface wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Israel is not a proxy state, they self-determine oftentimes against what their allies have wanted them to do.

for the sake of understanding your position, could you provide some examples? to me it doesn’t seem clear that israeli foreign policy is far removed from US foreign policy or even in contention. The way we vote at the UNSC proves our support for some of the most grotesque of actions - deliberately killing infants and children. Their recent preemptive strike on Iran is, imo, further evidence of that proxy status.

Well, Biden and Netanyahu famously did not get along by any means.

Re: Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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Post by SllX »

soulofmischief wrote: post #126
SllX wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not appropriate for an international court that we’re not even a part of to put our Presidents and their subordinates on trial, nor is it something we should meekly concede to.

We decided to not be a part of it. Meanwhile, we systematically bully other nations and kill high ranking officials with impunity. We can't have our cake and eat it too.

Put another way, we defend American interests.

Re: Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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Post by krapp »

Atlas667 wrote: post #109
Aliabid94 wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US continues to burn its soft power capital to defend Israel - this guy was only targeted because of his investigations on Israeli war crimes.

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What "Epstein/Israel/Trump blackmail conspiracy?" It's already known that Trump is in the Epstein files. He's already admitted to sexual assault, has been found liable of sexual abuse and is a convicted felon. He's one of the most openly venal and corrupt Presidents in history. There's literally nothing Israel could have on him that would surprise anyone.

Every American President will defend Israel at any cost. The American military industrial complex depends upon the existence of an aggressive, Zionist Israeli government constantly starting shit and creating the pretext for American imperialist doctrine. Conservative and evangelical Christians believe it is their literal sacred duty to defend Israel (see recent comments by Ted Cruz citing the Bible to that effect) It doesn't matter who is in the White House, or what party, and no coercion or blackmail is required.

Re: Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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Post by snickerbockers »

soulofmischief wrote: post #126
SllX wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not appropriate for an international court that we’re not even a part of to put our Presidents and their subordinates on trial, nor is it something we should meekly concede to.

We decided to not be a part of it. Meanwhile, we systematically bully other nations and kill high ranking officials with impunity. We can't have our cake and eat it too.

I agree that America needs to cut back on to be sabre-rattling but you actually can have your cake and eat it too if nobody is both capable and willing to stop you.

Also how does the Hague get off imposing itself like that? Doesn't that make their judges a legitimate target by the same "can't have your cake and eat it too" principle if they actually apprehend somebody from a non-signatory? Under that logic the Hague invasion act seems less ludicrous.

Re: Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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Post by waffleiron »

phendrenad2 wrote: post #15
NewJazz wrote: post #6

They didn't even resist/appeal the order? It is an EO, not a law. Goes to show just how subservient and feckless Microsoft is. Nominative determinism much?

People really need to resist the urge to anthropomorphize corporations. Corporate behavior is well-established science at this point. They almost always do what is in their own financial interests. "Feckless" means "lacking initiative or strength of character". Corporations have one character: Making money. Fighting the government over a few user accounts has no short-term or long-term monetary value. It doesn't even…

> People really need to resist the urge to anthropomorphize corporations.

I understand where you are coming from, but this also sounds like a way to remove individual responsibility from the people that make up a corporation.

Re: Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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Post by dragonwriter »

luckylion wrote: post #95
dragonwriter wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ICC isn't biased against Israel, it just lacks the bias that the US has where it ignores and is actively complicit in Israeli crimes.

It is somewhat surprising though that they did not consider indicting Khamenei, Assad, Sinwar, or Haniyeh, isn't it?

> It is somewhat surprising though that they did not consider indicting Khamenei, Assad, Sinwar, or Haniyeh, isn't it?

You might want to read who warrants were being pursued against in the first part of the Prosecutor’s statement which also announced the pursuit of warrants against various Israei officials before saying things this stunningly ignorant.

https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/statement-icc-prosecutor-karim-...

On the basis of evidence collected and examined by my Office, I have reasonable grounds to believe that Yahya SINWAR (Head of the Islamic Resistance Movement (“Hamas”) in the Gaza Strip), Mohammed Diab Ibrahim AL-MASRI, more commonly known as DEIF (Commander-in-Chief of the military wing of Hamas, known as the Al-Qassam Brigades), and Ismail HANIYEH (Head of Hamas Political Bureau) bear criminal responsibility for the following war crimes and crimes against humanity committed on the territory of Israel and the State of Palestine (in the Gaza strip) from at least 7 October 2023

Sinwar and Haniyeh were subsequently killed, but an arrest warrant was issued for Al-Masri the same day as the warrants issued for Netanyahu and Gallant.

Re: Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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Post by lurk2 »

spwa4 wrote: post #131
Tostino wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the US is in the wrong, why should I as a citizen not want our government officials held accountable?

If you look at the history of the ICC, what makes you think they hold people accountable for human rights violations? Never mind effectively. The ICC is a cool idea in theory. The implementation pretty much causes human rights violations.

> The implementation pretty much causes human rights violations.

How is that?

Re: Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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Post by snickerbockers »

nickdothutton wrote: post #81

Europe had a plan after they learned Merkel’s blackberry contents were going to Fort Meade, but they never enacted it. They planned their own MS Office (and email) replacement. Even got as far as scouting data centre sites and identifying first 40M accounts.

The EU seems to have a problem with the whole "talk is cheap" thing. They're always making grand announcements of new initiatives like this but they hardly ever materialize.
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