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Andrej Karpathy's talk on the future of the industry

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Re: Andrej Karpathy's talk on the future of the industry

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Post by rvz »

pera wrote: post #11

Is "Software 3.0" somehow related to "Web 3.0"?

No. But it doesn't make any difference that both of them are grifts in different ways.

One bundles "AGI" with broken promises and bullshit claims of "benefits to humanity" and "abundance for all" when at the same time it takes jobs away with the goal of achieving 10% global unemployment in the next 5 years.

The other is an overpromised scam wrapped up in worthless minted "tokens" on a slow blockchain (Ethereum).

Terms like "Software 3.0", "Web 3.0" and even "AGI" are all bullshit.

Re: Andrej Karpathy's talk on the future of the industry

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Post by ath3nd »

gooseus wrote: post #108

But at what cost? And I don't mean the "human cost", I mean literally, how much will it cost to use an LLM as your "operating system"? Correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't every useful LLM being operated at a loss?

That's part of the rug pull.

They want to onboard as many people on their stuff and make them as dependent on it as possible, so the switching costs are more.

It's the classic scam. Look at what Meta are doing now that they reached end of the line and are trying to squeeze out people for profitability:

- Bringing Ads to WhatsApp: https://apnews.com/article/whatsapp-meta-advertising-messagi...

- Desperately trying by any illegal means possible to steal your data: https://localmess.github.io/

- Firing all the people who built their empire: https://www.thestreet.com/employment/meta-rewards-executives...

- Enabled ethnic cleansing in multiple instances: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/myanmar-faceb...

If you can't see the total moral bankruptcy of Big Tech, you gotta be blind. Don't Be Evil my ass. To me, LLMs have only one purpose: dumb down the population, make people doubt what's real and what's not, and enrich the tech overlords while our societies drown in the garbage they create.

Re: Andrej Karpathy's talk on the future of the industry

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Post by dang »

karpathy wrote: post #133

Btw I notice many pretty bad errors in this transcription of the talk. The actual video will be up soon I hope.

Ah sorry! I'm going to downweight this thread now.

There's so much demand around this, people are just super eager to get the information. I can understand why, because it was my favorite talk as well :)

Re: Andrej Karpathy's talk on the future of the industry

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Post by mlboss »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #102
imiric wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So... Who builds the AI? This is why I think the AI industry is mostly smoke and mirrors. If these tools are really as revolutionary as they claim they are, then they should be able to build better versions of themselves, and we should be seeing exponential improvements of their capabilities. Yet in the last year or so we've seen marginal improvements based mainly on increasing the scale and quality of the data they'…

> If these tools are really as revolutionary as they claim they are, then they should be able to build better versions of themselves, and we should be seeing exponential improvements of their capabilities. Recursive self-improvement is literally the endgame scenario - hard takeoff, singularity, the works. Are you really saying you're dissatisfied with the progress of those tools because they didn't manage to end the…

Recursive self-improvement will never happen. We will hit physical limitation before that: energy, rate earth minerals, datacenter etc. The only way we can have recursive self-improvement if Robots take over and start expanding to other planets/solar systems.

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Post by Henchman21 »

alganet wrote: post #61
Henchman21 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I’m going to be leaning on my imagination this much I am going to imagine a world where the tech industry considers at great length whether or not something should be built.

Let me be clear about what I think: I have zero fear of an AI apocalypse. I think the fear is part of the scam. The danger I see is related to psychological effects caused by humans using LLMs on other humans. And I don't think that's a scenario anyone is giving much attention to, and it's not that bad (it's bad, but not world end bad). I totally think we should all build it. To be trained from scratch on cheap commo…

I think we fear the same things, roughly. My fear is what humans do with any tech we create. Where we differ is that I would prefer things not be built. After a lifetime of watching what we actually do with the things we create, I think we need a bit of a “time out”. Just my 2 cents that won’t change a thing!

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Post by adriand »

bcrosby95 wrote: post #65

I might be wrong, but it seems like some people are misinterpreting what is being said here. Software 3.0 isn't about using AI to write code. It's about using AI instead of code. So not Human -> AI -> Create Code -> Compile Code -> Code Runs -> The Magic Happens. Instead, it's Human -> AI -> The Magic Happens.

It’s like a friend of mine who has an AI company said to me: the future isn’t building a CRM with AI. The future is saying to the AI, act like a CRM.
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