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Resurrecting a dead torrent tracker and finding 3M peers

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Re: Resurrecting a dead torrent tracker and finding 3M peers

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The RIAA doesn't have to sue to make OP's life miserable. They have enough lawyers on the payroll to drown him in perfectly legal demand letters. Go one step further and assume the demand letters are harassment - what's OP going to do, sue the RIAA?

Nahh, for a bunch of annoying letters take them to small claims court. Cheap for you, expensive for them, and you win if they don’t show up.

haha, no, this is not their first rodeo

Re: Resurrecting a dead torrent tracker and finding 3M peers

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In other words, you can DDoS any ip for the cost of registering a domain and publishing a specific DNS record.

You mean redirect all the traffic to any IP the author intends to theoretically DDoS? Never thought of it, definitely scary with 3M peers

Re: Resurrecting a dead torrent tracker and finding 3M peers

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How did they get that address?

“ APNIC's research group held the IP addresses 1.1.1.1 and 1.0.0.1. While the addresses were valid, so many people had entered them into various random systems that they were continuously overwhelmed by a flood of garbage traffic. APNIC wanted to study this garbage traffic but any time they'd tried to announce the IPs, the flood would overwhelm any conventional network.” https://blog.cloudflare.com/announcing-1111/

On a separate note, why was cloudflare given the ownership of 1.1.1.1?

Re: Resurrecting a dead torrent tracker and finding 3M peers

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Bittorrent is such a beautiful technology, solves a real problem easily, and helps many many people. It's a shame it's been stifled so much by lawyers.

It doesn't matter. Bittorent will live on as long as humans exist. It definitely helped a lot in creating extremely important p2p and decentralized software such as ipfs, bitcoin, etc

Re: Resurrecting a dead torrent tracker and finding 3M peers

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> knowingly helping people commit crimes generally Right, that makes sense. Is running a tracker "knowingly helping people commit crimes"? I feel like that's a huge jump, there is a wide range of content coordinated by trackers and the DHT.

It's not like he just started a random new torrent tracker... he took over an old domain that was previously in use by people pirating stuff after observing that torrents were still pointing to the tracker and ran a tracker on that domain. That's a pretty direct line to "he knew this would be used for copyright infringement".

What kind of threshold do courts tend to put on that, for the percentage of illegal activity? Because pretty much any service that connects lots of people together is guaranteed to have some.

Re: Resurrecting a dead torrent tracker and finding 3M peers

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Now I'm wondering: with the wide range of bittorrent clients out there, and the fact that many are written in unsafe languages, could it be possible for some of them to be exploited through a malicious tracker? It would not surprise me if some of these clients misbehave if fed malformed data from a tracker.

Most torrent clients that people use (though not all) are actually wrappers around libtorrent, which is very well tested and has even been audited.

It's worth noting that there are at least 3 variants calling themselves "libtorrent" and to my knowledge they don't have a lot in common implementation wise.

Re: Resurrecting a dead torrent tracker and finding 3M peers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

“ APNIC's research group held the IP addresses 1.1.1.1 and 1.0.0.1. While the addresses were valid, so many people had entered them into various random systems that they were continuously overwhelmed by a flood of garbage traffic. APNIC wanted to study this garbage traffic but any time they'd tried to announce the IPs, the flood would overwhelm any conventional network.” https://blog.cloudflare.com/announcing-1111/

On a separate note, why was cloudflare given the ownership of 1.1.1.1?

It is explained in that blogpost from Cloudflare

'We offered Cloudflare's network to receive and study the garbage traffic in exchange for being able to offer a DNS resolver on the memorable IPs'

Re: Resurrecting a dead torrent tracker and finding 3M peers

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> Is this legal? Why wouldn't it be? You're not actually hosting a tracker in this case, only looking at incoming connections. And even if you do run a tracker, hard to make the case that the tracker itself is illega. Hosting something like opentrackr is like hosting a search engine, how they respond to legal takedown requests is where the crux is at, and whatever infra sits around the tracker, so police and courts c…

Because knowingly helping people commit crimes generally counts the same as committing the crime yourself. I.e. federally in the U.S. under 18 USC 2a https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2 The software you're running being "simple" isn't a defence for doing illegal things with it - like aiding others commit crimes. There are a few internet/copyright safe harbor provisions (in the US) that might maybe (probably…

Why did people just accept this is a crime at all? You don't appear to be a zoomer.

Re: Resurrecting a dead torrent tracker and finding 3M peers

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> Is this legal? Why wouldn't it be? You're not actually hosting a tracker in this case, only looking at incoming connections. And even if you do run a tracker, hard to make the case that the tracker itself is illega. Hosting something like opentrackr is like hosting a search engine, how they respond to legal takedown requests is where the crux is at, and whatever infra sits around the tracker, so police and courts c…

Is this legal isn’t a useful question. The better question is how likely are you to get sued? With civil lawsuits it doesn’t matter if it’s legal you can be sued and harassed by lawyers if you get on their radar.

> Is this legal isn’t a useful question

Why do you say that?

I think even seemingly "useless" questions can lead to valuable discussions and insights... and it might also be possible that your perspective is not the only valid one.

What's useful (or not) to one person is not always the same for others.

Re: Resurrecting a dead torrent tracker and finding 3M peers

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> Especially since most of the traffic that will go through there is probably copyright infringement? Copyright infinging materials dont go "though" trackers. Trackers only keep torrent hashes and lists of peers.

So do torrent websites like the pirate bay. That doesn't protect pirates from getting sued to hell and back or even receiving prison sentences from the court.

I would argue the pirate bay was an index apart from a tracker, and indexes is what gets you in trouble mostly
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