Windows 10 EOL

Post by vondur » Tue, Jun 17, 2025, 8:31 PM UTC

dale_huevo wrote: post #39

vondur wrote: post #25

This is a huge e-waste issue. I work as a Sysadmin in a large public university, and I've been spending the last year or so removing and replacing large amounts of computers that can no longer run a supported version of Windows. I just recently sent around 50 computers to a company that supposedly donates/resales them, but I'm going to guess most will end up as E-waste prematurely. Yes, we can purchase an extended su…

Why is this e-waste when compared to old Mac laptops - many of which are in perfect working order, save Apple arbitrarily stopping OS updates because they were too lazy to maintain or update device drivers. Somehow MS requiring TPM2 for Windows 11 was the end of humanity as we know it, but a Mac with a T2 chip is heralded as progress. If anything many of these PCs will enjoy a second life off eBay in someone's home-l…

Post by akimbostrawman » Tue, Jun 17, 2025, 9:10 PM UTC

Ekaros wrote: post #131

orev wrote: post #120

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Can an organization that has “tens of thousands” of computers running Windows really be considered “medium sized”?

No. I think around 250 employees is in many locations considered large company. And above 500 or 1000 would certainly be such. So anyone with thousands such devices outside refresh cycle is certainly not medium sized.

Post by akimbostrawman » Tue, Jun 17, 2025, 9:13 PM UTC

frollogaston wrote: post #115

akimbostrawman wrote: post #98

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if you think a single medium sized organization killing 5 digit amount of perfectly usable hardware (these are average sized ~3kg desktop pcs) simply because of software is very little there is no argument that could convince you. try counting that up in your head only for your city (the whole world runs windows!) to decide if that is still "very little".

The numbers are only meaningful per person. If you want to multiply by 10K, you have to multiply their other waste too for comparison. Also I said laptop+phone originally, not desktop, in part because not very many people have desktops.

Post by Clamchop » Tue, Jun 17, 2025, 10:01 PM UTC

akimbostrawman wrote: post #143

Ekaros wrote: post #131

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No. I think around 250 employees is in many locations considered large company. And above 500 or 1000 would certainly be such. So anyone with thousands such devices outside refresh cycle is certainly not medium sized.

google and similar corporations have well above 100 000 employees. calling 10 000 medium is perfectly accurate on that scale.

Post by const_cast » Tue, Jun 17, 2025, 10:26 PM UTC

riobard wrote: post #109

msgodel wrote: post #96

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Why is this a problem exactly? Pick the OS who's leadership/choices you like and run it. No one has to agree on most of the low level stuff as that's abstracted away or even part of the kernel where there's few changes between distros.

That mentality gets us fragmentation of Linux DE for the past few decades with none winning majority mindshare and no commitment from major commercial developers. Sure with a capable browser most use cases can be covered but then there will not be a Year of Linux DE. It would be a Year of Chromium-based Browsers where DE is mostly irrelevant. Those abstracted away details matter a lot if you care about user experienc…