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Re: No Hello

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Post by cogman10 »

macspoofing wrote: post #135
JimDabell wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s exactly what’s rude about it. Don’t make sure you have their attention. Just send the actual message. If it’s urgent enough that the actual message isn’t enough, “Hello” isn’t going to cut it either.

I didn't make a value judgment on the practice, but it is a reason why you may get a "hello" message.

Funnily, I've mostly gotten it at 3am. I've literally had 24h time lapse from the initial hello to actual question.

I've also had cases where I've immediately responded "hi" only to get the question about 1h later.

Re: No Hello

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Post by cvoss »

MisterTea wrote: post #123

I have a friend who would always text me "yo yo", which annoyed me, so I would always responded with a picture of a yo-yo. He finally got the hint and now asks "you around?" so yet again, I state I am in fact not a round anything and the saga continues... Just ask the mother flipping question ffs!

Consider telling your friend you would prefer different behavior from him, instead of passive aggression that, at this point, you have proven is ineffective and only leaves you more frustrated because you feel like he's ignoring your "request" (when he's done no such thing).

Re: No Hello

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Post by CGMthrowaway »

dosnem wrote: post #124
dfboyd wrote: post #86

I'm the original author of this content. I wrote it on the internal wiki at Google in 2007. Someone copied it and posted it at nohello.(something) after I left Google. It's made the front page of HN multiple times. The discussions always split between the people who just want to get on with the conversation and the people who can't bring themselves to do that because they consider it unforgivably rude. The second gro…

Sometimes you do it because if you just ask the question you get ignored but if you say hello and get a response ppl are less likely to ignore the second question. Thats the bigger reason than any rudeness reason i would think.

This. The selfish point (there are other points too) of "hi" is to confirm you have their attention and to remove plausible deniability of "oops I missed your message."

Re: No Hello

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Post by rsynnott »

giarc wrote: post #136

It's funny to see this here. I manage a large team and just the other day had to deal with irate employees who are arguing over whether they should be saying "Good morning" to each other when they come into the office. One employee thinks it should almost be "mandatory" to greet each other, where the other employee says she isn't in the headspace to be greeting people early in the morning and would rather get settled…

Quite frankly this sounds like something from The Office.

Re: No Hello

#145

Post by kaboomshebang »

If someone grabs my Slack attention by starting with "Hello" or "Hey ", and he/she doesn't immediately continues typing, a "Permission to speak" is always fun :)

Re: No Hello

#146

Post by CGMthrowaway »

JimDabell wrote: post #127
macspoofing wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's another reason for 'hello' ... it's a way to make sure you have the other person's attention before launching into a topic or question.

That’s exactly what’s rude about it. Don’t make sure you have their attention. Just send the actual message. If it’s urgent enough that the actual message isn’t enough, “Hello” isn’t going to cut it either.

That's only rude sometimes. We don't typically talk to other people in real life without confirming their attention (e.g. via eye contact) first.

Re: No Hello

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Post by aeve890 »

msgodel wrote: post #58
Retr0id wrote: post #27

It's 2025, we should be able to use LLMs to adapt between communication styles. If someone I don't know "hello"s me, my LLM should detect that, suppress the notification, and reply automatically - and then resume notifications and defer to me once non-greeting conversation has started.

Regex is enough of a language model to deal with this, no need for LLMs. On a sane operating system you would be able to suppress notifications with a regex match but most consumer operating systems are no longer sane.

>Regex is enough of a language model to deal with this, no need for LLMs.

Dropbox comment vibes. Please provide the regex you use in your daily communication.

Re: No Hello

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Post by bombcar »

danaris wrote: post #89
bombcar wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See, if you had Siri you'd be forced into the first anyway: "Alexa add peanut butter to shopping list" "OK, what should list should I add to?" "shopping list" "Ok, what should I add for you" "Peanut butter" "Ok, playing Peanut Butter by the Royal Guardsmen on a HomePod you forgot you had"

My whole family uses Siri—both through our phones and through the HomePod mini in the kitchen—to add items to the shopping list. Siri occasionally misunderstands the name of the item, or needs to ask who's speaking (when on the HomePod), or has trouble because the phone of the person asking has briefly dropped off the Wifi, but in the ~5 years we've had it, I can count on one hand the number of times adding has just…

For me it's 80% accurate (including sometimes I'm entirely surprised it heard above all the screaming and howling) and then 20% it's just hilariously horribly wrong.

Re: No Hello

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Post by mariusor »

mafuy wrote: post #98
mariusor wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> are UDP. some :P

Misses, sure. But it should be quite rare that the order is wrong. It would only happen if the route changes.

Eh, comedic posts should probably be allowed some leeway in their attempt at being funny.
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