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The Danish Ministry of Digitalization Is Switching to Linux and LibreOffice

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Re: The Danish Ministry of Digitalization Is Switching to Linux and LibreOffice

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My company has Linux and Windows laptop fleets. Windows requires more work and causes more pain, even though the Linux fleet is larger.

What sector and country is that? Or better, which company? How large is the company and how many Linux and Windows machines are there? I'm also curious to know how they manage their Linux fleet?

Software company in İstanbul. I don't know the exact numbers, but a few thousand machines on each. Linux just works.

Re: The Danish Ministry of Digitalization Is Switching to Linux and LibreOffice

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They give up and switch to Windows (again). The highest profile was in Munich where they did migrate >10,000 desktops to Linux and OpenOffice, but eventually they migrated back to Windows and Office: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiMux Lower Saxony: https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-scores-a-win-over-linu... Vienna: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wienux Note that even when these projects succeed, the software user…

Speaking completely off the cuff here, but I suspect that as government applications move to be web-based, perhaps there could be another wave of Linux adoption since all it would take essentially is a functioning browser.

Windows just isn't that expensive. If you're paying MS for Office 365 anyway then there's no real point in replacing the set of drivers used by the browser.

Re: The Danish Ministry of Digitalization Is Switching to Linux and LibreOffice

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It's a great way for Denmark to negotiate a better deal with Microsoft for the next round of licenses. No way they will stick with Linux. It's just too fiddly, requiring way more "IT people" running around configuring Samba shares and printer drivers. And LibreOffice is many many years behind MS Office, and it'll continue to be that way. Sorry for the pessimism but this was true in 2005, in 2015, and in 2025.

>It's just too fiddly, requiring way more "IT people" running around configuring Samba shares and printer drivers. IIRC several German states went with nextcloud to make the transition a bit smoother. No idea about the effort when it comes to print servers, but on the other hand Denmark is quite digitized at this point and I would imagine printing papers is less of a thing there than in Germany. >And LibreOffice is m…

Fortunately I don't spend a lot of time in either of these but what I did notice was just the UI being more difficult - so UI friction makes a big difference, especially across thousands of users in a government department.

Also lots of minor bugs, like font kerning looked weird, missing features (one cannot expect it to keep up with MS on this, they've got full time highly paid developers working on MS Office every single day), various incompatibilities... some bizarre crashes.

Re: The Danish Ministry of Digitalization Is Switching to Linux and LibreOffice

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I used to love LibreOffice when it was OpenOffice.org. When it got unshackled from Oracle, it somehow became kinda uglier, and unfortunately it wasn't able to keep up with the times technology-wise, as all efforts to make it online are a failure of usability and speed. What we, the humanity, need, is a free-as-in-freedom open source set of web applications that work like Google Docs / Spreadsheets / Slides, but can b…

What do you mean "keep up with the times technology-wise"? LibreOffice has much better support for MSO formats than OpenOffice. Also, have you tried enabling the ribbon in LibreOffice? View > User Interface > Tabbed

I don't care for MSO format support, nor ribbon interface. What I lack is capability to collaborate on the documents online, Google Docs-style. Also, OpenOffice.org used to be really stable, and LibreOffice somehow crashes on me every other day while doing nothing special, just editing some simple letter.

Re: The Danish Ministry of Digitalization Is Switching to Linux and LibreOffice

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I used to love LibreOffice when it was OpenOffice.org. When it got unshackled from Oracle, it somehow became kinda uglier, and unfortunately it wasn't able to keep up with the times technology-wise, as all efforts to make it online are a failure of usability and speed. What we, the humanity, need, is a free-as-in-freedom open source set of web applications that work like Google Docs / Spreadsheets / Slides, but can b…

I found onlyoffice a good replacement. It is certainly better looking.

For me, their grave sin is basing on MSOffice file format. THat way you're destined to always be at a disadvantage when the competitor will want to outdo you.

Re: The Danish Ministry of Digitalization Is Switching to Linux and LibreOffice

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He didn't want to do work himself, he wanted to contribute monetarily and have the desired outcome provided to him. That's the not-nice thing about Open Source.

The comment said 'organizing this', not doing the development work. That could mean crowdfunding to fund development of the desired outcome. A faff, of course, but perhaps a better deal than contributing monetarily to Microsoft to have Copilot shoved in your face instead of the features you actually want.

organizing is by far more difficult work than coding.

Re: The Danish Ministry of Digitalization Is Switching to Linux and LibreOffice

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Linux monoculturalization is not great news. We should deploy e.g. *BSD and illumos as well to prevent having all eggs in one basket.

I think the user space apps will mostly work on BSD, so if somehow in future a BSD distro will be superior to Linux should be easy to move the apps over. I do not think there will be a lot of work put in the Linux kernel and I think KDE still works on BSDs

KDE still does. GNOME also does, but it basically requires them to compat-shim systemd, which is really unfortunate.

Re: The Danish Ministry of Digitalization Is Switching to Linux and LibreOffice

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I think the user space apps will mostly work on BSD, so if somehow in future a BSD distro will be superior to Linux should be easy to move the apps over. I do not think there will be a lot of work put in the Linux kernel and I think KDE still works on BSDs

KDE still does. GNOME also does, but it basically requires them to compat-shim systemd, which is really unfortunate.

but does a BSD user want GNOME? GNOME target users are more casual, too many options are too much for them.

Re: The Danish Ministry of Digitalization Is Switching to Linux and LibreOffice

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Munich story is one failure among many successes. Ever heard of GendBuntu? [1] Probably not, because it was a successful migration. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GendBuntu

I find it puzzling they use OpenOffice instead of LibreOffice.

The project started 6 years before the LibreOffice fork existed.

Re: The Danish Ministry of Digitalization Is Switching to Linux and LibreOffice

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The issues in this situation are always, 1. How much is compatibility with outside users and past documents necessary? No office application can successfully, reliably convert anything but relatively simple documents (have LLMs done better somehow?). Each conversion reduces fidelity and often integrity; send a few revisions back and forth and it can become a problem. Simply adding a small headache every time an outsi…

While I won't comment on whether the move made is smart: > 1. How much is compatibility with outside users and past documents necessary? Not an issue, document compatibility is a solved problem and any issues experienced would be minor (e.g., a missing font or broken animation leading to slightly different presentation). > 2. What is the system management story? Corporate "system management" solutions are entirely br…

In regards to your first point, I'm actively testing conversion scenarios of .xlsx to .ods (ODF 1.3) with LibreOffice, and depending on what you consider significant properties there's definitely some loss along the way that might hurt. Mostly looking into diagrams at the moment, and some break under conversion (histograms and pareto for example), while others aren't displayed properly (stock charts).
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