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Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by derefr »

callamdelaney wrote: post #66
ghusto wrote: post #17

> A more technically sound approach would be content controls directly implemented on the devices parents chose to give their children Passive aggression level 10, and I approve.

This is the only true solution. Parents need to take responsibility for what their kids are doing online, what they’re viewing and who they’re talking to. This generation of parents should be prepared for that but apparently not.

I think this approach made a lot of sense in the 2000s and 2010s, when consumer electronics with internet access were expensive things well out of reach of a child unless given to them by a parent.

But we're in an era now where cell phones and tablets — especially used + low-spec ones — are something that even a young child can acquire en masse: from their friends at school, or from any mall kiosk or convenience store with their allowance, etc.

You can put all the parental controls you like on the nice phone you buy your child — but how do you put parental controls on the four other phones you have no idea they own?

(Before you say "search their room" — they could leave them in their desk at school, charging them with a battery bank they charged at home or got a friend to charge for them; and then use them with free public wi-fi rather than locked-down school wi-fi. This doesn't require any particular cleverness; it's the path of least resistance!)

If you ask me "well, what do we do, then?"... I have no idea, honestly.

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by neepi »

stanford_labrat wrote: post #101
amriksohata wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This never happens tho - parents dont sometimes even know how to use the tech. Its like giving a gun to a child and telling them its ok, just remember when you open the packaging to take the safety off. ...and oh yeh the safety software changes every few months so you will have to review it

I’m sorry who is who in this analogy. Because if internet/tech is the gun then the clear solution is “not giving your children guns”. Bad modern parents just give their kids an iPad.

I gave my kids iPads.

But I also parented them.

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by mdp2021 »

lofaszvanitt wrote: post #64

A better way would be to only allow soft content for unverified users, so youngsters wouldn't be brainwashed and hooked by the excessive ram up a train in someone's arse kinda mindless, cromagnon like content. Politicians must be replaced with something more human centric. All they do is bring forth rules to deny something, instead of trying to cure the epidemic porn brings into the life of everyday people.

> instead of trying to cure the epidemic porn brings into the life of everyday people

Eh?!

This makes no sense. Is it something like "smartphones bring addiction", i.e. the inability to deal with a tool normally as duly, because some people were left immature, is taken as an excuse to fall into bad logic?

If everyday people faint in front of begonias, it's not the begonia. Treat the roots.

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by zemvpferreira »

derefr wrote: post #141
callamdelaney wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the only true solution. Parents need to take responsibility for what their kids are doing online, what they’re viewing and who they’re talking to. This generation of parents should be prepared for that but apparently not.

I think this approach made a lot of sense in the 2000s and 2010s, when consumer electronics with internet access were expensive things well out of reach of a child unless given to them by a parent. But we're in an era now where cell phones and tablets — especially used + low-spec ones — are something that even a young child can acquire en masse : from their friends at school, or from any mall kiosk or convenience sto…

Like with anything, you need to do a proper job educating your kids before trusting safeguards to keep them safe. That would be my bet for a scalable solution.

Some kids will still drown, it’s unavoidable. But swimming lessons are much more effective at preventing drowning deaths than fences.

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by sapphicsnail »

callamdelaney wrote: post #80
amriksohata wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This never happens tho - parents dont sometimes even know how to use the tech. Its like giving a gun to a child and telling them its ok, just remember when you open the packaging to take the safety off. ...and oh yeh the safety software changes every few months so you will have to review it

Apparently the average age of mothers is 30 - these parents should understand the risks of technology having be exposed to it themselves but we don’t seem to be seeing improvement in this area like we might expect.

A lot of us experienced the opposite problem. I had parents that restricted large parts of the Internet that probably would have been fine to access. The Internet has changed a lot. It wasn't until I took in a zoomer who grew up with unrestricted Internet access that I realized how damaging it could be.

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by manquer »

baby_souffle wrote: post #37
coolio1232 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why have privacy if you have nothing to hide? On another note, a lot of places, including those in the west will ostracize you for listening to the wrong music or eating the wrong foods.

> On another note, a lot of places, including those in the west will ostracize you for listening to the wrong music or eating the wrong foods. Some groups will, yes. In a lot of cases it's just simple hypocrisy; lots of "anti-gay" congressmen somehow keep getting caught soliciting sex in airport bathrooms or on grinder.

I find it quaint and amusing people expect politicians to live privately same as their public personas.

As long as they votes consistently with their stated public beliefs (icky or flawed as they are ) on which they got elected does it matter they are very different private person ?

I would go so far as to say, them being different publicly than in private is a qualification for the job, if they cannot dissociate their personal beliefs from the will of their electorate then they shouldn’t do the job .

Don’t we all have one work persona and another home one ? Being a congressman should be no different.

On the other hand, the ones who sell on a public persona to get votes and switch their voting pattern after election to a different belief system is far more of hypocrite (Sinema or fetterman?)

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by mdp2021 »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #137
mdp2021 wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> is poisonous With all due, some may want to advise you to check into that. It could be that it does strange things because of the way you are wired. Please note (about similar corners) what I have already written in the page, "for some it brings a satisfaction and this is an outlet valve that reduces adverse social effects; for some it is a kindler and it will increase adverse social effects". To some it will be th…

The idea of porn as an outlet valve just sounds to me like the self-medication hypothesis for alcoholism. I have no doubt there's people who watch lots of porn and believe that it's helping them with some problem or another, but I'm more skeptical that it actually is helping and a lot more skeptical that it's so helpful as to make up for the negative consequences.

> outlet valve

It is very rational: some need the experiences to meet the natural instances, and virtual ones suffice.

> self-medication hypothesis for alcoholism

Do not even joke: alcoholism is (*) an addiction (*) to an intoxicant...

> watch lots

That's you assuming things.

> helping them with some problem or another

Still you with your constructs: maybe they just enjoy it like other pleasant experiences.

> negative consequences

That confirms "it's you": which "negative consequences"? We do not see any necessary damaging impact.

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by derefr »

zemvpferreira wrote: post #144
derefr wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this approach made a lot of sense in the 2000s and 2010s, when consumer electronics with internet access were expensive things well out of reach of a child unless given to them by a parent. But we're in an era now where cell phones and tablets — especially used + low-spec ones — are something that even a young child can acquire en masse : from their friends at school, or from any mall kiosk or convenience sto…

Like with anything, you need to do a proper job educating your kids before trusting safeguards to keep them safe. That would be my bet for a scalable solution. Some kids will still drown, it’s unavoidable. But swimming lessons are much more effective at preventing drowning deaths than fences.

I somewhat agree with your point, but I'd quibble with the analogy, and its implication about the usefulness/importance of fences.

I'd argue that the Internet is less like water, and more like a freeway. (It is the "information super-highway", after all!)

We do put (quite tall) fences up between freeways and residential areas (or between freeways and areas with wildlife!), and for good reason: unlike deep water (that both humans and animals have a vague instinct is an "unknown quantity" best to be approached cautiously), a freeway can, at a non-rush-hour time, look like a perfectly safe and quiet and predictable place — a place just like the calm, safe meadow or bike path or residential lane beside it — until, midway through crossing one, a truck sudenly whizzes over the horizon going 120mph and smashes right into you before the driver has time to react.

And that's the Internet: a seemingly safe, predictable place — with unexpected trucks whizzing through it, ready to smack into you.

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by saagarjha »

pishpash wrote: post #86
dakiol wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Always wondered why latin america is not considered the "western" world (it surely is not on the east side of... whatever mark you put in the world. Actually if one uses the greenwich meridian, that would leave countries like Germany on the "east" side of the world).

Western world = prior colonial powers and their vassal states. Non-Western world = prior colonies that became independent.

TIL the US is non-Western

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by jajko »

david-gpu wrote: post #51
perihelions wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Empirically, there's a sizeable market of people willing to pay thousands to keep their porn viewing from becoming public. Prenda Law[0,1] was an extortion racket that blackmailed people with their porn history, and demanded in the region of $4,000 per victim. Their total revenue was at least $15 million, that the courts could find. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prenda_Law [1] https://hn.algolia.com/?query=prenda

I don't doubt that it happens, but I am asking about why. What's the thinking process?

LBGTQ+ in highly oppressed environment (ie in some countries they execute gays in 2025). Even if not, some folks have quirks they would be ashamed of if it went public, ostracized, lose jobs, in some cases divorces etc.

Is it really that hard to imagine? US alone made (for us Europeans a bit weird but we don't mind at the end) very popular categories of porn like "banging stepsister/brother/mother/father", I am pretty sure those folks wouldn't like that history revealed to their close ones.

And TBH, I simply don't want to know other folk's preference even if its a very mundane one. Don't need to add that 'feature' to the mental model of them I have in my mind, what I have is already too much sometimes.

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