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Post by lxe »

gloosx wrote: post #125

>>models create, empowering artists to bring their creative vision Interesting logic the new era brings: something else creates, and you only "bring your vision to life", but what it means is left for readers questioning, your "vision" here is your text prompt? Were at a crossroads where the tools are powerful enough to make the process optional. That raises uncomfortable questions: if you don’t have to create anymor…

I've been doing AI art since 2022 and I'm still both disappointed and not quite surprised that this still is a pervasive view of what it takes to create anything high quality using AI.

If you take any high quality AI content and ask their creator what their workflow is, you'll quickly discover that the complexity and nuance required to actually create something high-quality and something that actually "fulfills your vision" is incredibly complex.

Whether you measure quality through social media metrics, reach, or artistic metrics, like novelty or nuance, high quality content and art requires a good amount of skill and effort, regardless of the tool.

Standard reading for context: https://archive.org/details/Bazin_Andre_The_Ontology_of_Phot...

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by bilbo0s »

suddenlybananas wrote: post #25
Animats wrote: post #3

The ad for Flow would be much better if they laid off the swirly and wavy effects, and focused on realism. Soon, you should be able to put in a screenplay and a cast, and get a movie out. Then, "Google Sequels" - generates a sequel for any movie.

Generating banal stock footage is wildly different than generating a film.

This doesn't necessarily preclude the possibility of making a model that can generate a film. It's still something they can work out. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if models we're seeing these days are not a necessary first step in that process.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by irq-1 »

jjcm wrote: post #66

It finally feels like the professional tools have greatly outpaced the open source versions. While wan and hunyuan are solid free options, the latest from Google and Runway have started to feel like a league above. Interestingly it feels like the biggest differentiator is editing tools - ability to prompt motion, direction, cuts, or weaving in audio, rather than just pure ability to one shot. These larger companies a…

> the agency/hollywood use cases.

It's for advertising.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by tintor »

vunderba wrote: post #22

After doing some testing, Imagen 4 doesn't score any higher than Imagen 3 on my comparison chart, approximately ~60% prompt adherence accuracy. https://genai-showdown.specr.net

Hands in Winning entry in "Not the Bees" are very unlike any driver. I wouldn't count it as a pass.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by jampa »

gamblor956 wrote: post #118
ahmedfromtunis wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The amount of gatekeeping I see when this topic is brought is outstanding! Why can't people be happy that more individuals would be soon able to create freely in a more accessible way? Personally I can't wait to see the new creative doors ai will open for us!

There's nothing creative in having someone or something else doing the work for you. "Creating" with an AI is like an executive "inventing" the work actually done by their team of researchers. A team owner "winning" a game played by the their team. That being said, AI output is very useful for brainstorming and exploring a creative space. The problem is when the brainstorming material is used for production.

The first two paragraphs of your argument could be used to discuss whether Photography (Camera is doing most of the work) or Digital Drawing (Photoshop is doing most of the work) are art.

Both things which were dismissed as not art at first but are widely accepted as an art medium nowadays.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by gh0stcat »

com2kid wrote: post #19
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Soon, you should be able to put in a screenplay and a cast, and get a movie out. This "fixes" Hollywood's biggest "issues". No more highly paid actors demanding 50 million to appear in your movie, no more pretentious movie stars causing dramas and controversies, no more workers' unions or strikes, but all gains being funneled directly to shareholders. The VFX industry being turned into a gig meatgrinder was already…

> Hollywood's wet dream. Except it bankrupts Hollywood, they are no longer needed. Of people can generate full movies at home, there is no more Hollywood. The end game is endless ultra personalized content beamed into people's heads every free waking hour of the day. Hollywood is irrelevant in that future.

Infinite Jest?

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by curvaturearth »

The first video is problematic? the owl faces forwards then seamlessly turns around - something is very off there.

The guy in the third video looks like a dressed up Ewan McGregor, anyone else see that?

I guess we can welcome even more quality 5 second clips for Shorts and Instagram

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by suddenlybananas »

bilbo0s wrote: post #142
suddenlybananas wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Generating banal stock footage is wildly different than generating a film.

This doesn't necessarily preclude the possibility of making a model that can generate a film. It's still something they can work out. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if models we're seeing these days are not a necessary first step in that process.

I'm not saying it's in principle impossible, but rather I'm saying this doesn't show that it will happen soon.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by tintor »

gloosx wrote: post #125

>>models create, empowering artists to bring their creative vision Interesting logic the new era brings: something else creates, and you only "bring your vision to life", but what it means is left for readers questioning, your "vision" here is your text prompt? Were at a crossroads where the tools are powerful enough to make the process optional. That raises uncomfortable questions: if you don’t have to create anymor…

Text prompts are very short now, but that can quickly change if prompt following improves.

Software Engineers bring their vision to life through the source code they input to produce software, systems, video games, ...

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by woah »

dmonitor wrote: post #139
woah wrote: post #95

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It makes me sad that the US and western Europe which have been the most flexible and forward-thinking societies in the world for generations have now memed themselves into fretting and hand-wringing about technical advances that are really awesome. And for what? The belief that illustration and filmmaking which have always been hobbies for the vast majority of participants should be some kind of jobs program?

People aren't looking forward to companies playing the "how much sawdust can you put in a rice crispy before people notice the difference" experiment on the entertainment industry. The quality of acting, scripting, lighting, and animation in the film/television industry already feels second rate to stuff being made before 2020. The cost cutting and gutting of cultural products is becoming ridiculous, and this technol…

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