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NSF faces shake-up as officials abolish its 37 divisions

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Re: NSF faces shake-up as officials abolish its 37 divisions

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Post by exe34 »

busterarm wrote: post #110
chuckadams wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are the same people that zeroed out research funding on transgenic mice because they thought it was the same as transgendered.

That ended up not being the gotcha that y'all thought it was and CNN had to add a correction on their fact-check because mice were indeed being administered cross-sex hormone therapy, just not for the purpose of changing their sex. One of the experiments in particular was to determine how gender-affirming care would affect humans, which indeed makes it at odds with the administration's DEI policy and is not just them…

> is not just them being dumb

That's a wild take for anything this admin does.

Re: NSF faces shake-up as officials abolish its 37 divisions

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Post by busterarm »

tessierashpool wrote: post #126
busterarm wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That ended up not being the gotcha that y'all thought it was and CNN had to add a correction on their fact-check because mice were indeed being administered cross-sex hormone therapy, just not for the purpose of changing their sex. One of the experiments in particular was to determine how gender-affirming care would affect humans, which indeed makes it at odds with the administration's DEI policy and is not just them…

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it's a footnote on CNN's own fact check of the story. I literally had already mentioned where the citation is in my post.

Re: NSF faces shake-up as officials abolish its 37 divisions

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Post by [deleted] »

damnitbuilds wrote: post #117
arrosenberg wrote: post #101

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If their concern was actually DEI (instead of destroying the federal governments power) they would change the grant process going forward and maybe cut funding selectively. That they aren’t doing that, but cutting funding wholesale, is a clear indication of their real intent. Blaming Biden for their destructive ideology is a bad argument. They're breaking it, they get to own the outcome. FWIW, I agree with you other…

"Blaming Biden for their destructive ideology is a bad argument." And, again, it is not one I am making. I blame Biden and Harris for being so awful that the American people decided Trump was a better choice and elected him. That is on them. And for forcing irrelevant DEI language into grants. That is on them.

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Re: NSF faces shake-up as officials abolish its 37 divisions

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Post by qgin »

chairhairair wrote: post #43

The NSF budget is ~$10billion. That's about half of NASA's, 1.2% of the DoD's, 0.5% of the discretionary budget ($1.7 trillion). Why is this the focus of the admin? Science is one of the few things the US is doing well.

To own the libs, to stick it to the “experts”.

It’s sad, but that’s the whole thing.

Re: NSF faces shake-up as officials abolish its 37 divisions

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Post by arrosenberg »

damnitbuilds wrote: post #117
arrosenberg wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If their concern was actually DEI (instead of destroying the federal governments power) they would change the grant process going forward and maybe cut funding selectively. That they aren’t doing that, but cutting funding wholesale, is a clear indication of their real intent. Blaming Biden for their destructive ideology is a bad argument. They're breaking it, they get to own the outcome. FWIW, I agree with you other…

"Blaming Biden for their destructive ideology is a bad argument." And, again, it is not one I am making. I blame Biden and Harris for being so awful that the American people decided Trump was a better choice and elected him. That is on them. And for forcing irrelevant DEI language into grants. That is on them.

Well that’s asinine. Big time “she made me hit her” energy if that’s actually your argument (which isn’t clear at all from what you wrote).

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Post by carefulfungi »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #114
rokkamokka wrote: post #48

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The focus is robbing the treasury to give tax breaks to the rich.

Trump said yesterday he wants to raise taxes on people earning over $2.5MM[1] People on the left are going to be caught totally flat-footed if they don't pull their head out of their bubble. Trump is a populist president. He was elected by working class individuals and so far he has shown every intent of following through for them. People on the left don't recognize it because they don't recognize the tools that righ…

Trump says everything basically and then just repeats what his MAGA crowd cheers the loudest about. "Trump said..." isn't a meaningful indicator of his intent, his beliefs, or his "plan".

Re: NSF faces shake-up as officials abolish its 37 divisions

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Post by no_wizard »

rjsw wrote: post #104
duxup wrote: post #98

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I think for Trump hangers on bumbling around and acting like an idiot is thought to be a required social signal. I suspect few have a relationship they trust with Trump, dude is erratic, prone to strange influences (twitter) and the only way hangers on can think to signal they are doing good work is effectively… act out in a way that gets attention.

This is known as "Working Towards the Führer" [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Kershaw#%22Working_Towards...

First I’ve heard of this. It’s quite fascinating!

I have read a lot of literature on the subjects at hand and never have I seen this come up.

Usually Hitler in particular is characterized as a delegator and more adept than this makes it out to be. Frankly I’m not surprised, but interesting history none the less

Re: NSF faces shake-up as officials abolish its 37 divisions

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Post by timschmidt »

SubiculumCode wrote: post #92

We absolutely cannot let science be hit by 50% budget cuts at NSF and NIH. It would be absolutely devastating to our standing in the world. Scientists will ABSOLUTELY leave to Europe and Canada to continue our research. I know that I would.

Seems like it's already happened. Historically, Europe has had poorer funding opportunities for scientists than the US and fewer positions to fill. I know a fair number of European scientists who came to the US because there were simply more positions available in their discipline. Even with these cuts I'm not sure that'll even out.

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Post by bilbo0s »

cmontella wrote: post #133
ddahlen wrote: post #38

I have been in and out of the academic world my entire career. I have worked as a programmer/engineer for two universities and a national lab, and worked at a startup founded by some professors. There is huge uncertainty with the people whom I have worked with, nobody seems to be sure what is going to happen, but it feels like it wont be good. Hiring freezes, international graduate students receiving emails to self d…

Yes, the entire DARPA "challenge" series has been about jumpstarting the US robotics industry. People who were involved in those went on to found driverless car companies, which then went on to create a market for driverless cars, and now America is a leader in the industry. And it needed to happened because the state of American robotics was sad in 2004; the very first challenge was a disaster when all the cars ran…

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