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Re: RybbitL Open source Google Analytics replacement

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Post by withinboredom »

GordonS wrote: post #129
bill_yang wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is pretty spot on. There's a couple of dimensions the major players sit on, and there's enough combinations that there's plenty of space for smaller players to survive in. I'm not super familiar with all of these products, so some of these ratings will be based on vibes 1-----------------10 OSS Proprietary Small business Enterprise Simplicity Complexity Web analytics Product analytics Privacy No privacy # Rybbit…

This really does look like a great project! Is it possible to use it server-side only, with no JavaScript required? I currently use Umami like that - it has an API, so I can send it page view events and custom events from server-side code. That means analytics can't be disabled by uBlock or the like, or by disabling JavaScript.

I also have my own analytics service on serverside, and it is sooo vastly different from the client-side analytics. The client side only sees ~5-10% of what I see on the server side -- even after filtering out bots and the like.

Re: RybbitL Open source Google Analytics replacement

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Post by Onavo »

nm980 wrote: post #20

The market for Google Analytics alternatives is crowded. There's Plausible, Ahrefs web analytics, onedollarstats.com, PostHog, Matomo, Unami, Grafana, Microsoft Clarity (free at any scale), and so many others. Despite minor differences these products all compete for the same users (e.g. if someone is a PostHog customer they probably won't be using Ahref web analytics) yet most of these companies offer generous free t…

Which ones are embeddable? Often I need to embed some analytic charts for users in my app e.g. blog views and very few support easy embedding+authentication.

Re: RybbitL Open source Google Analytics replacement

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Post by vanschelven »

marvinblum wrote: post #138

I keep recommending it, but you can check out https://european-alternatives.eu/category/web-analytics-serv... for a more complete list of EU based web analytic services. I'm one of the co-founders of Pirsch, and a bit worried because the space is getting really crowded :D

I love it, too bad the author of that project seems to have become overwhelmed with the requests for updates/additions.

Re: RybbitL Open source Google Analytics replacement

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Post by herpdyderp »

gregjw wrote: post #115
openplatypus wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a founder in this space, it not as bad as you think. There are niches in this crowded yet broad space. Plausible - good for self-hosting, but their SaaS is very expensive and FOSS vs SaaS offering differ. Ahrefs - they will use your traffic to improve your competitor research, you really should use them cautiously. Matomo - feature rich but can be overwhelming. Posthog - its SaaS is US based so dismissed early by…

Surprised no ones talked about Fathom Analytics. My alternative of choice.

Why do you prefer Fathom?

Re: RybbitL Open source Google Analytics replacement

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Post by 1dom »

bitbasher wrote: post #35
indiantinker wrote: post #13

Umami works for me. I just want that dopamine kick that someone clicked on my page so I dont feel lonely on the internet.

It was only a bot, but if it makes you feel better... :)

My experience is that out of my other logs/metrics (cloudflare & server logs) Umami was the only one that didn't overinflate by counting bots and crawlers.

I know the true state of my site visitors: the vast majority of legit visitor traffic is from my own home IP, and my own mobile IP. Umami was the only one to show that.

Re: RybbitL Open source Google Analytics replacement

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Post by rmonvfer »

openplatypus wrote: post #49
nm980 wrote: post #20

The market for Google Analytics alternatives is crowded. There's Plausible, Ahrefs web analytics, onedollarstats.com, PostHog, Matomo, Unami, Grafana, Microsoft Clarity (free at any scale), and so many others. Despite minor differences these products all compete for the same users (e.g. if someone is a PostHog customer they probably won't be using Ahref web analytics) yet most of these companies offer generous free t…

As a founder in this space, it not as bad as you think. There are niches in this crowded yet broad space. Plausible - good for self-hosting, but their SaaS is very expensive and FOSS vs SaaS offering differ. Ahrefs - they will use your traffic to improve your competitor research, you really should use them cautiously. Matomo - feature rich but can be overwhelming. Posthog - its SaaS is US based so dismissed early by…

Just for the record, I use PostHog in my Europe-based startup. They have a EU region so it’s not a problem for us.

Re: RybbitL Open source Google Analytics replacement

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Post by pc86 »

closewith wrote: post #63
pc86 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the greatest jobs I ever had from a technical perspective had terabytes of structured access logs hosted on prem inside of a VPN, with a few small bespoke tools to search through them (and many more pages of commands for common tasks not yet implemented in a UI). Not a single line of tracking or analytics on the front end, we just tracked everything we cared about at the server level.

And most likely a compliance and legal nightmare waiting to drop on a DPO one day.

That place didn't have any European operations so no GDPR concerns¹, but for what its worth it was completely.. pseudonymous I think is the term we want? You couldn't link a server entry to an actual user account by any means² but you could group distinct server calls together as coming from the same person. These weren't "server logs" in the same of IPs or user agents or that kind of thing. More like application logs w/ scrubbed/obfuscated user data just stored in gigantic text files.

¹ To those who would say it doesn't matter, I'd say that laws aren't laws if they can't be enforced and there's no enforcement mechanism for some EU bureaucrat to fine a company with no operations outside of the US.

² I'm sure the technical means existed to do it especially if you already had access to the logs but the point is we weren't explicitly storing any PII or data that was linked to a real account. Just actions throughout the apps.

Re: RybbitL Open source Google Analytics replacement

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Post by _heimdall »

bjelkeman-again wrote: post #116
_heimdall wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well the EU absolutely could do the same thing. If an EU-based company had servers in the US, I would expect the EU could compel them to hand over data despite where the data is stored.

The EU doesn’t do law enforcement. That is a national concern. But a legal request from one country to another may well happen.

I misspoke there, I was meaning Europe and shouldn't have put EU.

Agreed, the union doesn't have any enforcement mechanism I'm aware of that would fit, but any country in Europe could do a similar thing to companies based in their borders.

Re: RybbitL Open source Google Analytics replacement

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Post by crowcroft »

nm980 wrote: post #20

The market for Google Analytics alternatives is crowded. There's Plausible, Ahrefs web analytics, onedollarstats.com, PostHog, Matomo, Unami, Grafana, Microsoft Clarity (free at any scale), and so many others. Despite minor differences these products all compete for the same users (e.g. if someone is a PostHog customer they probably won't be using Ahref web analytics) yet most of these companies offer generous free t…

You would be surprised how many companies do in fact use multiple analytics services.

Only one tool will be a 'source of truth' but a company using a combination of something like GA4 (Business source of truth), Mixpanel (product insights), and Clarity (Landing page analysis) is not unheard of.

The types of companies that use multiple services are also the types of companies that are likely spending $1,000s per month as well, so overall quite a profitable industry for many companies to operate in.

Re: RybbitL Open source Google Analytics replacement

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Post by ksec »

bill_yang wrote: post #106
ksec wrote: post #100

This seems, very similar to Umami. Is this a fork from them? TypeScript / Next.JS and similar design?

I wrote this fully written from scratch. Similar stack to Umami though.

Good luck. It is looking the best out of all the alternatives so far.
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