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Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in foreign lands’

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Re: Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in foreign lands’

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Post by redeux »

jasonjayr wrote: post #127
anonu wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think thats exactly the point though. There is a perception that "left wing ideals" are represented in art and media and that this must end. This explains the executive order to defund NPR and PBS last week.

But isn't this the "free market" at play? Media with so-called "leftist" themes tend to do well commercially than "rightist" themes, so Hollywood just follows the money?

The MAGA movement doesn’t believe in the idea of a free market. Tariffs are a prime example of that. What they want is control and subservience.

Re: Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in foreign lands’

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Post by criddell »

jpambrun wrote: post #95

Not sure how you even tarif movies. I guess Netflix will receive bills based on viewership? Anyway, as usual other countries will retaliate. American movies will become both more expensive to make and taxed abroad. Meanwhile, we can expect more people will turn to piracy to cope with rising inflation. I can't imagine any scenario where this isn't backfiring.

The tariff would apply when Netflix pays for the distribution rights to a movie or TV show.

Re: Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in foreign lands’

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Post by maeln »

unsupp0rted wrote: post #29
xz18r wrote: post #9

I live in Belgium. It feels like 95% of all films I ever hear about are American. Opponents counter MAGA with 'America was never great', but here they'll say 'Movies have never left America'?

Most non-American movies are slop, melodramatic vaudeville, or tear-jerking gut-punches. Most American movies are slop too, but America can afford to swing at more pitches and consequently get more hits. Have you ever tried to watch Korean movies from the last 20 years? It's all melodramatic romance-crime-poverty slop, with the rare Kim Ki-duk or Bong Joon Ho in there to balance it out. And that's a country with a wo…

Ah yes, the 'slop, melodramatic vaudeville, or tear-jerking gut-punches' of Nuri Bilge Ceylan, Wong Ching-Po, Stephen Chow, John Woo, Emin Alper, Win Wenders, Pedro Almodóvar, Sylvain Chomet, Jean-Pierre Jeunet, Jacques Demy, Lee Chang-dong, Shunji Iwai, Wai Keung Lau, Wong Kar-wai, Hirokazu Koreeda, Park Chan-wook, Tran Anh Hung, Nadine Labaki, Santiago Mitre, ...

Yes, the US is a wealthy country, with a big population, a healthy movie industries and a lot of consumer. It does mean that the US produce a lot of movies, from auteur movie to holywood blockbuster. Disproportionally more than any other country in the world. But dismissing every non-US movie industry just show your ignorance about cinema in general.

Re: Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in foreign lands’

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Post by RIMR »

potato3732842 wrote: post #125
habosa wrote: post #77

The MAGA people attacking Hollywood is such a big mistake. Yes I know the average celebrity doesn’t share their views, but that doesn’t change the fact that Hollywood projects American culture around the world in a way that the government could never do itself. Movies and music made here are so often cited as the reason why young people around the world idealize America and want to emulate us (buy our clothes, speak…

The MAGA crowd is happy to throw out the ability to project useful stuff globally if it makes hollywood stop projecting what they consider divisive stuff domestically and are willing to throw out the foreign aspect if need be. They're not stupid (well they might be, but that's beside the point), they're just in such fundamental disagreement with you that it's possible to squint and assess the situation as "yup, they'…

I get what you're saying, but still, it is all very stupid, especially the part where they want to censor ideas they don't like domestically...

Re: Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in foreign lands’

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Post by pjc50 »

perlgeek wrote: post #24
solumunus wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would a meaningful fight look like?

General strike, for example.

Those are incredibly hard to organize.

It's going to be a long slow process of firstly making sure that all Democrats are actually anti-Trump through primary challenges, then trying to ensure a D sweep in the mid-term elections. I don't think there's much chance of anything before then.

Re: Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in foreign lands’

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Post by rapind »

timdiggerm wrote: post #114
Aeolun wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look to Idiocracy for a documentary of what happens if this keeps going unchecked?

You may have missed that Idiocracy is a pro-eugenics film, in which the populace got stupider by way of being fecund. It's not about this problem, really.

> You may have missed that Idiocracy is a pro-eugenics film

I kinda see how you got there, but man.

This is the same guy behind Office Space and Bevis and Butthead. He's poking fun at out of touch intellectuals and consumption. Calling it pro-eugenics though...

Re: Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in foreign lands’

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Post by echelon »

habosa wrote: post #77

The MAGA people attacking Hollywood is such a big mistake. Yes I know the average celebrity doesn’t share their views, but that doesn’t change the fact that Hollywood projects American culture around the world in a way that the government could never do itself. Movies and music made here are so often cited as the reason why young people around the world idealize America and want to emulate us (buy our clothes, speak…

I was actually shocked by this tariff. It's a pro-union, pro-labor, classic progressive move.

If you haven't been following what's happening with film production, basically production has moved from LA, Atlanta, New York, etc. to cheap countries in Eastern Europe and Asia.

A vast majority of IATSE film crew productions have now vacated the US. It's decimated the local film crew workforce and forced many to leave the industry entirely.

I wrote more about it here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43893915

The film crew folks post a lot about it on Reddit, especially in the /r/film industry(city) subreddits:

https://www.reddit.com/r/FilmIndustryLA/comments/1k39cod/the...

Re: Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in foreign lands’

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Post by jfengel »

thrance wrote: post #108

Is no one in this administration willing/able to deter the senile old man in charge from worsening the situation through new tariffs? I mean, don't get me wrong, this is music to my ears. Ever since I became an accelerationist last november, I cheer every time I see them pour oil on the fire.

They're the ones suggesting the tariffs.

Last time he let himself be surrounded by people with experience from other administrations. They frequently ran interference. This time he's doing it his way.

It's not as if this is unexpected. He said what he was going to do. This is what the voters voted for, and his constituents support him.

Re: Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in foreign lands’

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Post by potato3732842 »

timdiggerm wrote: post #114
Aeolun wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look to Idiocracy for a documentary of what happens if this keeps going unchecked?

You may have missed that Idiocracy is a pro-eugenics film, in which the populace got stupider by way of being fecund. It's not about this problem, really.

Idiocracy is only pro eugenics in the same way that any piece of comedy that criticizes anything or takes something to the extreme can be construed as being for the opposite thing.

Re: Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in foreign lands’

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Post by faku812 »

jasonjayr wrote: post #127
anonu wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think thats exactly the point though. There is a perception that "left wing ideals" are represented in art and media and that this must end. This explains the executive order to defund NPR and PBS last week.

But isn't this the "free market" at play? Media with so-called "leftist" themes tend to do well commercially than "rightist" themes, so Hollywood just follows the money?

Snow White is evidence the money is not what they follow.
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