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Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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> Toyota has been way, way behind on electrification They’re Toyota. They can buy their way onto the winner’s table later.

I fear in the long run Toyota might be bought by some Chinese competitor. Like BYD. Hopefully this won't happen.

You can sleep easy.

There is zero chance the Japanese government would let that happen.

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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post #107

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>It sounded like he hadn't anticipated how much of a hassle it is to charge on road trips. A few years ago this was true, but now that Tesla has opened up their network of chargers, your destination probably has to be >100 miles away from most interstate highways before road trip charging becomes much of an issue.

Even if there are charging stations every ten miles along the exact route you were already planning to take, it’s just straightforwardly true that it’s more annoying to charge vs. get gas. I can fill my tank and be back on the road in With an EV, I would be stopping anywhere from 10-30minutes (depending on the kinds of chargers available) (assuming I don’t have to wait for one to open up), and I’d be doing it twice a…

I think this is overstated. My Ford EV gets ~300 miles. If I leave my home with a full charge, I can get ~500 miles with ~30 minutes of charging. If a ~30 minute break in the middle of an ~8 hour drive is a problem for you, you probably aren't a safe driver. There is a reason that truckers have mandatory breaks. A person shouldn't be driving all day nonstop.

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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O3 can now play geoguessr better than master level human players. It can also beat master level Codeforces competitive programmers. I wouldn't discount the ability of AI to make sense of images far better than humans possibly could, all the while beating them at logical thinking, especially in a restricted domain like driving.

AI isn’t magic. If there isn’t enough information in the inputs, you can’t expect reliable results. It’s the same principle in all of software: garbage in, garbage out. If there simply isn’t enough visual information, vision-only will fail. https://youtu.be/IQJL3htsDyQ

This Mark Rober video has been debunked several times:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzZhIsGFL6g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cxTO8g47_k

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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I think Toyota has some sort of subsidiary who's bailiwick was this sort of thing? Woven or some other name?

"Woven by Toyota will also join the potential collaboration as Toyota’s strategic enabler, contributing its strengths in advanced software and mobility innovation."

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

#145

Ok, I appreciate that timelines in this space are long. But the opening phrase: "Toyota Motor Corporation (“Toyota”) and Waymo reached a preliminary agreement to explore a collaboration focused on accelerating the development..." reads a bit like a parody of corporate speak about a project nowhere close to happening. Did they agree to deploy? Or reach an agreement to collaborate? No, that's too strong. They will EXPL…

Don't forget that this is also a PRELIMINARY agreement. So it's not clear what the terms even are.

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

#146

If I can’t sleep while it drives me to work it’s not autonomous

I want a step before it right now. Let me use my phone or watch videos on the highway. I’m okay with taking over with a small amount of warning. I’m also okay doing all non-highway driving. I just want something that can keep me in my lane and avoid ramming the vehicle in front of me. If I need to drive at the start and end of my trip, that’s okay.

This is what I want too, driving 15 min manually in the city doesn't bother me or tire me out at all, I just want to watch TV when driving straight on the interstate for 300 miles.

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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The funny thing is that I've owned Gen 3 FSD for five years now and only in the last few months has it gotten noticeably better. It's actually respectable at driving around my city now, can handle roundabouts, make turns, etc.

I have noticed the same - Tesla FSD has improved remarkably in the last couple of versions, to the point where it almost never requires interventions. That said, I still don't "trust" FSD to the point where I could comfortably be in the backseat taking a nap just yet. 99% is not "good enough" for something as critical as driving.

I actually started to trust V12. V11 was a complete joke vaporware. V12 is a complete game changer that actually drives on par if not better than human. Not a tesla stock holder(all of it is a scam per my retarded opinion), but I am now more than confident that they will start doing self driving this year. Maybe isolated and with some remote interventions here and there, but it feels on par with Waymo. My friend was just testing Waymo and by his words it is not as aggressive (human like) like Tesla on the road where you need to assert yourself to merge.

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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The funny thing is that a nearly perfect template of your comment appears on nearly every post which includes a criticism of FSD. It's always magically "just recently got better!" As well as "being able to do some selected basic driving despite being called FULL self drive."

Maybe because it is true?

If it's true now then it means it was false before. Unless the claim is that every few months there's a noticeable spike in capabilities however the grandparent commenter seems to claim otherwise (ie, that only recently did it improve).

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Ok, I appreciate that timelines in this space are long. But the opening phrase: "Toyota Motor Corporation (“Toyota”) and Waymo reached a preliminary agreement to explore a collaboration focused on accelerating the development..." reads a bit like a parody of corporate speak about a project nowhere close to happening. Did they agree to deploy? Or reach an agreement to collaborate? No, that's too strong. They will EXPL…

What kind of development? LiDAR on every Toyota? Would be very interesting. If every car on the road was self driving we would not need a giant chunk of code to work around human behavior

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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The funny thing is that a nearly perfect template of your comment appears on nearly every post which includes a criticism of FSD. It's always magically "just recently got better!" As well as "being able to do some selected basic driving despite being called FULL self drive."

Maybe because it is true?

> Maybe because it is true?

It reeks of manual fitting. Tesla surveys an area and makes manual adjustments that keep the system from misbehaving for a while until something changes and then it’s back to shit.

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