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Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by eucryphia »

dgfl wrote: post #97
voidspark wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it can do everything, then you will be redundant.

I keep coming back to this thought. Maybe it’s how I was raised, but knowing that I’m doing something useful to other people / humanity is the entire point. When a machine can do everything better than we can, then what do we derive meaning from? I usually get out of the existential dread by thinking that we’re still some time away from the issue, and that there will still be some pursuits left, like space colonizati…

My elderly relatives strived to remain useful.

My grandmother-in-law especially enjoyed our visits, engaging her in conversation, she delighted in serving us a lovely hot pot of tea. We would give her a few days notice so she could bake a cake, later she just bought one.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by raverbashing »

antononcube wrote: post #110

The creation of music by AI brings to mind a quote from David Bowie: “Music itself is going to become like running water or electricity. So take advantage of these last few years, because this will never happen again. Get ready for a lot of touring, because that's the only unique experience left.” While Bowie had different reasoning for making that statement, it's interesting to think that with AI-generated music, hi…

And here's the thing: the invention of recorded media also had a big impact on musicians

Talks of "nobody will need musicians anymore" were overblown, while having a modicum of truth

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Post by paulluuk »

voidspark wrote: post #73
Toenex wrote: post #71

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I want AI to be able to do everything so the I can choose to do anything.

If it can do everything, then you will be redundant.

Thanking of yourself as "redundant" limits your view of a human to that of a machine, and in doing so you are doing humanity a great disservice. I'd recommend reading the Culture series for a vision of a future where AI has essentially taken over and humans can live out their lives as they want instead of as they need to.

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Post by usrnm »

pjmlp wrote: post #118
pj_mukh wrote: post #35

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The last 5 years have been a supersized lesson in Moravec’s paradox [1]. More people need to hear about this: the tech world doesn’t have some kind of conspiracy against the creative class, it literally is the lowest hanging fruit as predicted 30 years ago. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moravec%27s_paradox

Many keep forgetting programming is also creative work, but yeah whatever.

It is creative to the same extent as any other kind of engineering is: somewhat, but not really.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by maccard »

larodi wrote: post #114
summerlight wrote: post #96

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Well you know, all those fun and creative parts in software engineering has been taken over by vibe coding and now humans are supposed to do only tedious works, so probably the same thing applies here.

Perhaps much of what humans be doing in this regard is - validation, and the physical work left. But we're not there yet, of course. Vibe coding takes a lot of manual labor, and it's nowhere near for the actually complex tasks such as... multi-part CTEs munching gigs of spatial-temporal data. Speaking of AI in music - well, perhaps many will welcome some tools when you have to: - clear hissing - process levels in ted…

Are there any tools that do that better than our existing tools? Are there any companies that are working on that sort of thing?

If so, great. If not, then I think the parents point stands.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by rafaelmn »

ipaddr wrote: post #21

The interest in ai music generation is lower than I initially thought. I jumped in but felt the exercise lacked the joy of making music physically or with software like pro tools. With pro tools you control the thousands of knobs which gives you more control. These AI models take away that connection. You can play around with different words to get different results but it's like painting with a shotgun. No one wants…

>The interest in ai music generation is lower than I initially thought. I jumped in but felt the exercise lacked the joy of making music physically or with software like pro tools. With pro tools you control the thousands of knobs which gives you more control. These AI models take away that connection. You can play around with different words to get different results but it's like painting with a shotgun.

You can still pull AI stuff into your music editor and tweak it, although it's harder because it's already mixed. But ironically, this is the exact same problem you have with AI coding to avoid learning how to code - unless you know what you need and how to do it, you're basically relying on AI to one-shot it for you. The nice thing with music and visual art is that it's subjective, so you're the only judge of what's correct. That's why people get super impressed with images in GenAI when it generates 1001 human faces in that setting vaguely resembling what was asked. If you had to generate a very specific thing, it's basically impossible to get it correct.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by voidspark »

paulluuk wrote: post #143
voidspark wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it can do everything, then you will be redundant.

Thanking of yourself as "redundant" limits your view of a human to that of a machine, and in doing so you are doing humanity a great disservice. I'd recommend reading the Culture series for a vision of a future where AI has essentially taken over and humans can live out their lives as they want instead of as they need to.

What if you WANT to have a career or a job which is now done exclusively by AGI?

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by chaosprint »

It seems inevitable now. I used to think AI music would always sound compromised in term of audio quality, but the tech seems to have crossed a threshold, kind of like Retina displays did for screens.

Soon, hiring people for commercial background music might be rare. Think AI for jingles, voiceovers, maybe even the models and visuals. Cafes can use AI-generated music too – in a way, the owner curates or "creates" it based on their taste.

But there are still interesting parts to human music making: the unpredictability and social side of live shows, for example. Maybe future music releases could even be interactive, letting listeners easily tweak tracks? Like this demo: https://glicol.org/demo#ontherun

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by jsphweid »

MantisShrimp90 wrote: post #77
jsphweid wrote: post #60

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I'm getting a little tired of hearing this quote at this point. What about humoring the opposite? I want AI to automate art so I can spend more time doing dishes and doing laundry. Dishes and laundry are purely analog human experiences. Art, at this point, is essentially digital, and digital is the domain of machines so we can let machines do that now.

I mean I guess In this obtuse, maybe someone's joy In life is doing dishes and that is their art, then idk maybe but not even then. First, this just misunderstands what is being said here. For most people, chores like the dishes is a menial task that we will be happy for any reduction in time/effort. In addition, dishes and laundry are considered necessary for modern life. By contrast, art like music and visual mediu…

A nice thing about doing dishes over creating art is that it's something you can work hard in and get a predictable amount of work done which is gratifying. Meanwhile you can stare at a blank sheet of staff paper in frustration for an hour not knowing the best way to evolve your music composition and it's a really bad experience. That's my experience often. Personally, it's not too difficult for me to invert it / humor the opposite. My context is that I got a degree in music composition and also had several jobs washing dishes. It often goes with having a music degree :)

Obviously the original quote deliberately creates an unfair fight in the arena by matching a conventionally dull-sounding analog task such as "washing dishes" with a sophisticated digital task such as making art (digital since LLMs do it, and that's what the complaint is about).

I could also create an unfair fight by saying "I'd rather have machines organize my spreadsheets (boring digital task) so I can have more time to hang out with other humans I love (appealing analog task)."

For me, by inverting it, I've come to realize it's not about art or dishes, but more about analog and digital. If one is partaking in any digital activity, then the trend of machines entering and taking over that space is inevitable. I think humans will revert more towards prioritizing and finding meaning in purely analog endeavors. Human art will shift back to analog. That's just my personal prediction.

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