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As 'Bot' Students Continue to Flood In, Community Colleges Struggle to Respond

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Re: As 'Bot' Students Continue to Flood In, Community Colleges Struggle to Respond

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Post by zulban »

mnky9800n wrote: post #133
zulban wrote: post #35

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I currently have a full time job in government as a computer scientist. I'm also taking an online master's at georgia tech and it's fairly good so far - no other way I could study supercomputing. Why would I leave an AI job where I'm learning practical AI skills to study CS? Async with evening exams was my only option. If you don't have a broad perspective on all life circumstances and types of education, don't just…

I had to go to community college while having a job and paying for everything and doing it around my schedule. This was before most places had online options and those that did were like, university of phoenix where it seemed like it would limit you because it wasn't considered the same as a non-profit university. I don't really buy this argument that people need some kind of online experience or otherwise they would…

I have three choices:

1) full-time in-person education, quitting my CS job

2) full-time online education, quitting my CS job

3) full-time CS job and doing a part-time master's online

Option #3 is the best for my CS education and growth. Period. Don't pretend the only choices are #1 and #2 because you're arguing in favour of #1.

Plus, it's not like I can (or want to) move to the USA just for studies. I have family in Montreal. Montreal has great universities for CS and AI but they have almost nothing for supercomputing or quantum computing.

I was a teacher for 4 years. I get it. There's magic to in-person education. But millions of people think online is the better choice for them and they're not all wrong.

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Post by Loughla »

pyfon wrote: post #57
Loughla wrote: post #21

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Should have filed with the office of disability services (or access services or whatever they call it) for accommodations. Without that there's no lawsuit.

Pregnancy is a protected class. Edit: not sure about Germany

Not sure about Germany either.

But in the US, colleges have offices for accommodations. The faculty isn't required to do anything unless the university, acting through that office, tells them to.

Source: my career spent working with this kind of institution and this kind of office.

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Post by ethagknight »

9283409232 wrote: post #103
ethagknight wrote: post #87

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I’m glad it worked for you, however this is not an opinion, it’s a worldview, and it is unethical and unscrupulous to use government funding to pay people to remotely attend a community college course. This is several steps beyond the intent of a community college, which is simply to provide free education for working people in the community.

It is an opinion and one I disagree with.

And your position is a demand for someone else to pay you to attend class?

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Post by ethagknight »

RHSeeger wrote: post #127
ethagknight wrote: post #83

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Can’t show up for one day? That is such an incredibly low bar to also ask them to sit through a long series of courses and test. These college colleges are state funded, so if the person is overseas or on the opposite side of the US… then what are we really funding? That’s not the intent of a “community college”.

> then what are we really funding A single mother than works at Walmart and another job delivering food, trying to support her kid(s), and will get let go if she misses a day at work; who is desperately trying to better herself so she can provide a better future for her family? Look, I get that it's a balance between stopping the cheaters and not putting undue burden on the good ones. But it's not a simple problem, a…

Funny you should choose Walmart as your hardship example, as they have a very generous educational benefit program for their employees. Many corporations do. All are contingent upon showing up for work! It’s ok to have obligations in exchange for benefits.

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Post by 9283409232 »

ethagknight wrote: post #143
9283409232 wrote: post #103

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It is an opinion and one I disagree with.

And your position is a demand for someone else to pay you to attend class?

Yes if my taxes can be used to "unethically" and "unscrupulously" build roads I didn't ask for then I'm fine with taxes being used to pay for education.

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Post by stogot »

danaris wrote: post #106
stogot wrote: post #89

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Not really. I worked various jobs in community college to support myself. Community college is designed around that fact with early morning and late night classes, but these are ONLINE classes. You can’t say that they have to work at that time because there is no time slot

"Online" doesn't mean "on-demand." My wife got her Masters from Harvard recently through online classes, and every class had...I want to say about 4 hours a week of actual scheduled, synchronous class sessions over Zoom, in addition to the coursework required.

I’ve done years of online coursework and I’ve never had that nor heard of that at a community college. Harvard must be doing their own thing. I guess if you pay tens of thousands for a degree you’re stuck with onerous practices.

Community college is explicitly to help local students who are generally working jobs, so these onerous scheduled sessions are not reasonable

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Post by insane_dreamer »

HamsterDan wrote: post #22

The author tried really hard to dance around the real problem here: California is apparently paying students to attend online community college. If attending these classes was even just free, this wouldn't be a problem. Giving out student aid for online classes is just ridiculous.

> apparently paying students to attend online community college

No, they provide student aid that covers some (it's not much) of low income students' living expenses so that they can actually study and get through college, instead of working fulltime and it taking 2-3 times as long.

It's the same type of financial aid scholarships 4-year universities give out too, and in most/all States.

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