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Re: OpenAI o3 and o4-mini

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Post by whalesalad »

kylehotchkiss wrote: post #107
amarcheschi wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The old Chinese strategy of having 7343 different phone models with almost the same specs to confuse the customer better

This sounds like recent Dell and Lenovo strategies

recent? they've been doing this for decades.

person a: "I just got an new macbook pro!"

person b: "Nice! I just got a Lenovo YogaPilates Flipfold XR 3299 T92 Thinkbookpad model number SRE44939293X3321"

...

person a: "does that have oled?"

person b: "Lol no silly that is model SRE44939293XB3321". Notice the B in the middle?!?! That is for OLED.

Re: OpenAI o3 and o4-mini

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Post by crowcroft »

_fat_santa wrote: post #58

So at this point OpenAI has 6 reasoning models, 4 flagship chat models, and 7 cost optimized models. So that's 17 models in total and that's not even counting their older models and more specialized ones. Compare this with Anthropic that has 7 models in total and 2 main ones that they promote. This is just getting to be a bit much, seems like they are trying to cover for the fact that they haven't actually done much.…

Most industries, or categories go through cycles of fragmentation and consolidation.

AI is currently in a high growth expansion phase. The leads to rapid iteration and fragmentation because getting things released is the most important thing.

When the models start to plateau or the demands on the industry are for profit you will see consolidation start.

Re: OpenAI o3 and o4-mini

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Post by vessenes »

gallerdude wrote: post #16
brap wrote: post #4

Where's the comparison with Gemini 2.5 Pro?

For coding, I like the Aider polyglot benchmark, since it covers multiple programming languages. Gemini 2.5 Pro got 72.9% o3 high gets 81.3%, o4-mini high gets 68.9%

where do you find those o3 high numbers? https://aider.chat/docs/leaderboards/ currently has gemini 2.5 pro as the leader at, as you say, 72.9%.

Re: OpenAI o3 and o4-mini

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Post by fkyoureadthedoc »

echelon wrote: post #104
iLoveOncall wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ChatGPT was released in 2022, so OP's point stands perfectly well.

They're rumored to be working on a social network to rival X with the focus being on image generations. https://techcrunch.com/2025/04/15/openai-is-reportedly-devel... The play now seems to be less AGI, more "too big to fail" / use all the capital to morph into a FAANG bigtech. My bet is that they'll develop a suite of office tools that leverage their model, chat/communication tools, a browser, and perhaps a device.…

Not surprising. Add comments to sora.com and you've got a social network.

Re: OpenAI o3 and o4-mini

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Post by paxys »

_fat_santa wrote: post #58

So at this point OpenAI has 6 reasoning models, 4 flagship chat models, and 7 cost optimized models. So that's 17 models in total and that's not even counting their older models and more specialized ones. Compare this with Anthropic that has 7 models in total and 2 main ones that they promote. This is just getting to be a bit much, seems like they are trying to cover for the fact that they haven't actually done much.…

OpenAI isn't selling GPT-4 or o1 or o4-mini or turbo or whatever else to the general public. These announcements may as well be them releasing GPT v12.582.599385. No one outside of a small group of nerds cares. The end consumer is going to chatgpt.com and typing things in the box.

Re: OpenAI o3 and o4-mini

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Post by resters »

_fat_santa wrote: post #58

So at this point OpenAI has 6 reasoning models, 4 flagship chat models, and 7 cost optimized models. So that's 17 models in total and that's not even counting their older models and more specialized ones. Compare this with Anthropic that has 7 models in total and 2 main ones that they promote. This is just getting to be a bit much, seems like they are trying to cover for the fact that they haven't actually done much.…

They do this because people like to have predictability. A new model may behave quite differently on something that’s important for a use case.

Also, there are a lot of cases where very small models are just fine and others where they are not. It would always make sense to have the smallest highest performing models available.

Re: OpenAI o3 and o4-mini

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Post by throwuxiytayq »

ben_w wrote: post #46

4o and o4 at the same time. Excellent work on the product naming, whoever did that.

Just wait until they announce oA and A0.

They jokingly admitted that they’re bad at naming in the 4.1 reveal video, so they’re certainly aware of the problem. They’re probably hoping to make the model lineup clearer after some of the older models get retired, but the current mess was certainly entirely foreseeable.

Re: OpenAI o3 and o4-mini

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Post by neya »

The most annoying part of all this is they replaced o1 with o3 without any notices or warnings. This is why I hate proprietary models.

Re: OpenAI o3 and o4-mini

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Post by ithkuil »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #44
testfrequency wrote: post #3

As a consumer, it is so exhausting keeping up with what model I should or can be using for the task I want to accomplish.

I asked OpenAI how to choose the right USB cable for my device. Now the objects around me are shimmering and winking out of existence, one by one. Help

Lol. But that's nothing. Wait until you shimmer and wink in and out of existence, like llms do during each completion
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