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Silicon Valley crosswalk buttons apparently hacked to imitate Musk, Zuck voices

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Re: Silicon Valley crosswalk buttons apparently hacked to imitate Musk, Zuck voices

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Post by kjkjadksj »

XorNot wrote: post #67
idle_zealot wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, PSAs are dystopian, ads designed to get me to act against my best interests are the sign of a functioning non-dystopian society.

I really do not understand people complaining about PSAs. Like learn some emotional maturity? If you weren't going to do the thing they're asking you not to do, then the message wasn't directed at you and you can go about your day just fine.

The thing is it doesn’t get across to the bad offenders. My train has adverts imploring you to not graffiti. I bet that has swayed literally zero people to stop marking up the traincar. And yet, someone had to make the useless sign, someone had to print it, someone had to install it on all the trains, and then someone has to replace it when that sign is then defaced.

Re: Silicon Valley crosswalk buttons apparently hacked to imitate Musk, Zuck voices

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Post by kjkjadksj »

catlikesshrimp wrote: post #134
morkalork wrote: post #128

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Remember: Pick up that can! Did you say thank you today? - A message from VP JD Vance Reminder: Vandalism of Tesla vehicles or properties is an act of terrorism and is punishable by deportation

Can you de-nationalize and deport American citizens now?. (that is a thing in at least one country close by)

Apparently so if the executive identifies you truthfully or not as a gang member.

Re: Silicon Valley crosswalk buttons apparently hacked to imitate Musk, Zuck voices

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Post by kjkjadksj »

Centigonal wrote: post #91
datavirtue wrote: post #46

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Feature in search of a problem

The fact that previously undiscovered posts sometimes get upvoted and make it to the front page after getting their "second chance" demonstrates the feature's utility.

You see that all the time with social media and reposts though. Sometimes the reposts hit sometimes not. In either case falsifying the record and making it seem like there is active discussion when most of the original comments have moved on already is a bit of a stupid feature.

Second chance queue is basically dang getting unilateral authority to be an empowered reposter and probably looking at internal data when the site is most active to drop the stale post back in.

Re: Silicon Valley crosswalk buttons apparently hacked to imitate Musk, Zuck voices

#144

Post by kjkjadksj »

rtkwe wrote: post #140
immibis wrote: post #61

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Ok but why do they falsify all the comment timestamps?

To complete the illusion of freshness I guess. I don't see a big issue with doing that as part of the feature.

The big issue is you reply to a comment from an hour ago but never get a reply, because that comment was actually made two weeks ago and the original commenter is not reviewing those old posts for new replies. This leads to a silencing of discussion in the worst way where one party has no idea they aren’t getting heard and the other party has no idea they are being spoken to.

Re: Silicon Valley crosswalk buttons apparently hacked to imitate Musk, Zuck voices

#145

Post by layer8 »

KORraN wrote: post #51
yellowapple wrote: post #42

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HN has a "second chance queue" for posts that the powers-that-be believe could've/should've gotten more attention but didn't. Happened to one of my posts once, which was confusing as all hell at first but made sense once I learned about it.

But this should not change the time when the thing (comment, link) has been posted, should it?

It does so that the ranking algorithm still works appropriately, and so that you can still reply, which otherwise you can’t for a day-old comment.

Re: Silicon Valley crosswalk buttons apparently hacked to imitate Musk, Zuck voices

#146

Post by wiml »

XorNot wrote: post #67
idle_zealot wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, PSAs are dystopian, ads designed to get me to act against my best interests are the sign of a functioning non-dystopian society.

I really do not understand people complaining about PSAs. Like learn some emotional maturity? If you weren't going to do the thing they're asking you not to do, then the message wasn't directed at you and you can go about your day just fine.

I think it's because it alters the moral context of the act that you're going to take anyway. If I pick up a piece of litter on my own initiative, that's an act of virtue. If I pick it up after a petty authority tells me to, that's an act of subservience. People get upset at the existence of PSAs because (in this view) they rob them of the ability to act virtuously. Which is not at all a small thing!

Yes, emotional maturity can help, and it also depends on perspective (whether I identify with the author of the PSA). But when the situation gets more complex than picking up litter, I think people forget that this dynamic exists and is important.

Re: Silicon Valley crosswalk buttons apparently hacked to imitate Musk, Zuck voices

#147

Post by layer8 »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #144
rtkwe wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To complete the illusion of freshness I guess. I don't see a big issue with doing that as part of the feature.

The big issue is you reply to a comment from an hour ago but never get a reply, because that comment was actually made two weeks ago and the original commenter is not reviewing those old posts for new replies. This leads to a silencing of discussion in the worst way where one party has no idea they aren’t getting heard and the other party has no idea they are being spoken to.

Without changing the timestamp, you couldn’t reply at all, and the upvotes/recency ranking wouldn’t work appropriately for old comments vs. new ones.

Re: Silicon Valley crosswalk buttons apparently hacked to imitate Musk, Zuck voices

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Post by stevenAthompson »

robocat wrote: post #107
stevenAthompson wrote: post #83

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Fifty four percent of Americans read below the sixth grade level. All effective PSA's must primarily target people who don't understand the world around them, and likely never will. It's not condescending, because it's not targeted to you.

You are implying that people don't understand the world if their reading level is low? Maybe your literacy level is high, but perhaps your level of understanding people could be higher.

> You are implying that people don't understand the world if their reading level is low?

I'm not implying anything. I am directly stating that people who can't read well do not, and can not, understand the modern world.

For example, how would someone that reads below the sixth grade level understand the tariff situation, Artificial Intelligence, or Cryptocurrency? Can they make good healthcare decisions, or manage a 401k properly? Can they choose an elected representative who has their best interests, and the interests of our nation in mind? I think not, and furthermore, they will spend their lives as financial prey animals to those who are more capable.

Do you seriously believe something different? Maybe I'm missing something obvious.

Re: Silicon Valley crosswalk buttons apparently hacked to imitate Musk, Zuck voices

#149

Post by rtkwe »

layer8 wrote: post #147
kjkjadksj wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The big issue is you reply to a comment from an hour ago but never get a reply, because that comment was actually made two weeks ago and the original commenter is not reviewing those old posts for new replies. This leads to a silencing of discussion in the worst way where one party has no idea they aren’t getting heard and the other party has no idea they are being spoken to.

Without changing the timestamp, you couldn’t reply at all, and the upvotes/recency ranking wouldn’t work appropriately for old comments vs. new ones.

I was wondering about that not knowing exactly how age affected the ranking of comments. Does seem like it'd be way easier to just fake the whole thing. I wonder if they show up as newer in the individual users' comment views too?

Re: Silicon Valley crosswalk buttons apparently hacked to imitate Musk, Zuck voices

#150

Post by stevenAthompson »

garbagewoman wrote: post #117
theshackleford wrote: post #110

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People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. You probably never even considered that. Consider it next time and be better. Hope that helps.

Well at least you nearly got the point of my comment

Maybe if you tell us what the point is we'll know what the point is?
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