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North Korean IT workers have infiltrated the Fortune 500

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A flagged post mentions this is racist and typical anti immigration rhetoric. That's not true, there are only two types of North Korean people you'll meet, either those that have defected and escaped North Korea or those that are agents of the state of North Korea. There are very few defectors in existence and once they escape they're given full South Korean citizenship. This article is not about those people. The va…

You're doing the racist rhetoric. There's no one in north korea that isn't "an agent of the state"? Give me a break. You sound ridiculous.

Where is “racist” even factoring into it? I see this argument all the time, mostly about North Korea or china. There is nothing racist about suspecting someone from a specific country because you don’t trust that country’s government. That is not racist and what’s more I think you know that. It think these arguments are extremely bad faith. Here’s the test: is it about race? If not, then it’s not racist. For example, if I don’t trust Chinese nationals to work at my company because I think they will steal secrets, but I absolutely don’t have that same fear about people who are ethnically Chinese but born in my country, that’s not racist. If you want to call it xenophobic, sure, I’ll buy that. But racist? You are conflating nation and race on purpose.

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Is it really racist? North Korea is the most tightly controlled country in the world. Seems too easy to just throw out the racist card when you did not refute or provide any counter point. I am certain there are good people in North Korea but it would be hard to figure folks allegiances. A lifetime of propaganda can really do something to the mind.

> I am certain there are good people in North Korea but it would be hard to figure folks allegiances. A lifetime of propaganda can really do something to the mind. What sources have taught you about life in Korea?

Numerous different documentaries and individual travel videos. Like all things there is a bias but I am also not sure what your point is? Are you suggesting North Koreans are not subject to massive amounts of propaganda and indoctrination into this idea of the supreme leader?

This is starting to feel like a flat earth discussion.

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The sino-vietnamese was a ridiculous mistake for the socialist project, that I agree with. But this wasn't an imperial war. When I mentioned modern China, I referred to the PRC, so after (most of its) national reunification. I fail to see how anti-terrorist repression in Xinjiang is akin to any form of imperialism. Otherwise they wouldn't celebrate those cultures on TV and during huge national events. This applies to…

> The sino-vietnamese was a ridiculous mistake for the socialist project, that I agree with. But this wasn't an imperial war. Fair enough, but then you can't claim that the US involvement in Korea was imperial. > When I mentioned modern China, I referred to the PRC, so after (most of its) national reunification. Why do you set this as a cut-off? Is an empire no longer imperial once it has conquered all its provinces?…

I think the last point is the easiest to address for me for now:

Yes, the allegations of genocide against the Uyghur were fabricated. Pure CIA fiction. After all, neither Muslim nations nor the UN are denouncing or investigating Chinese anti terrorist policies as genocidal, unlike a certain totalitarian dictatorship that likes to portray itself as the Hebrew state and who happens to livecam and brag about its demonic acts on TV.

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Tbh, before october 7th I wasn't as radicalised as I am now. It's just kind of pathetic to see westerns claim to be the free-est free people of the whole world, without showing any form of understanding as to why NK is the way it is. This country's apparent paranoia and distaste for anything westerner is totally unrelated to the national trauma imposed by an imperial power coming from abroad, right guys?

Which imperial power? If the US is an imperial power for defending their local dictator, how is PRC not one for doing likewise? Is it because the Communist empires loudly screamed that they‘re anti-imperialist as they went out and conquered their empires?

The US and Japan did awful things to Koreans. Slavery, weaponized rape, bioweapons, and other numerous war crimes.

So why are you asking which? Isn’t it obvious?

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> China "occupies" Tibet to the same degree that USA occupies California Republic, or Texas Republic. You've got some facts wrong. The "California Republic" was a tiny rebellion against Mexico whose goal was to join the US. The Texas Republic also asked to join the US (and was turned down the first time). But if your point is that the US is as much an empire as China, I agree.

I mean, just literally if you run a poll among United Nations members, people would rate the statement like "China occupies Tibet" and "USA occupies Texas" as the same delusional things - fantasy detached from reality

What are you basing that statement on? Was there are actually a UN vote, or are you just BSing?

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> I am certain there are good people in North Korea but it would be hard to figure folks allegiances. A lifetime of propaganda can really do something to the mind. What sources have taught you about life in Korea?

Numerous different documentaries and individual travel videos. Like all things there is a bias but I am also not sure what your point is? Are you suggesting North Koreans are not subject to massive amounts of propaganda and indoctrination into this idea of the supreme leader? This is starting to feel like a flat earth discussion.

You’re making broad, sweeping generalizations based off biased videos. If this is a flat earth discussion, you’re the flat earther.

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> Tibet, before being re-integrated into the Chinese homeland, was a brutal theocracy whose population was 90% made of slaves. I hope you mentioned Tibet out of ignorance, and not out of nostalgia for human trafficking. I suspect that's a lie told by the Chinese, but even if it were true, it wouldn't change the fact that it's a country under Chinese occupation. Attempting to justify empire doesn't mean they aren't an…

Except Tibet was part of China before westerns divorced it from China. I dunno why but I think I'm gonna trust people who used to be the victims of colonial domination and looting over the recidivist offenders of the said colonial domination and looting when it comes to Asian history. Also NK is a Chinese protectorate as much as the USA is a Republic.

I should probably just drop this, but I'm genuinely curious. Why do you think the USA isn't a republic?

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> I am certain there are good people in North Korea but it would be hard to figure folks allegiances. A lifetime of propaganda can really do something to the mind. What sources have taught you about life in Korea?

Numerous different documentaries and individual travel videos. Like all things there is a bias but I am also not sure what your point is? Are you suggesting North Koreans are not subject to massive amounts of propaganda and indoctrination into this idea of the supreme leader? This is starting to feel like a flat earth discussion.

> Numerous different documentaries and individual travel videos. Like all things there is a bias but I am also not sure what your point is? Are you suggesting North Koreans are not subject to massive amounts of propaganda and indoctrination into this idea of the supreme leader?

North Korea is famously one of the most closed-off countries in the world. Its Western-aligned neighbor is officially still at war with it. But at the same time people will make assertions with certainty about what North Korea is.

North Korea is an unreliable narrator. So are South Korea and America because they are hostile to NK. And people in the West don’t trust whatever countries are aligned with North Korea.

That’s the discrepancy—speaking boldly about the most closed off country in the world. Like documentaries and travel videos? Travel videos will be cherry-picked because of the government’s[1] policy of stalking and sheepherding all their tourists. That’s just one example from the NK side. We can also get into Western outlets making up NK fairytales based on no NK sources at all.

> This is starting to feel like a flat earth discussion.

Asking what level of information you have on a very closed-off country is comparable to denying a scientific fact that has been hypothesized for millenia, empirically proven probably for centuries, and can probably be empirically proven by an amateur scientist mountaineer?

Oh yeah? Have you got any more tired cliches up your sleeve?[2] “Oh hush” to quote a HN user.

[1] Or the regime if you prefer

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43618619

Re: North Korean IT workers have infiltrated the Fortune 500

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post #146

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Numerous different documentaries and individual travel videos. Like all things there is a bias but I am also not sure what your point is? Are you suggesting North Koreans are not subject to massive amounts of propaganda and indoctrination into this idea of the supreme leader? This is starting to feel like a flat earth discussion.

You’re making broad, sweeping generalizations based off biased videos. If this is a flat earth discussion, you’re the flat earther.

I get it, nuance is hard, but this isn’t nuance, it’s lazy contrarianism. You’re not defending truth, you’re just allergic to anyone speaking plainly about a brutal dictatorship. If you’ve got a credible counterpoint, make it. Otherwise, tossing out “bias” like it’s a trump card isn’t an argument, it’s a dodge.

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Numerous different documentaries and individual travel videos. Like all things there is a bias but I am also not sure what your point is? Are you suggesting North Koreans are not subject to massive amounts of propaganda and indoctrination into this idea of the supreme leader? This is starting to feel like a flat earth discussion.

> Numerous different documentaries and individual travel videos. Like all things there is a bias but I am also not sure what your point is? Are you suggesting North Koreans are not subject to massive amounts of propaganda and indoctrination into this idea of the supreme leader? North Korea is famously one of the most closed-off countries in the world. Its Western-aligned neighbor is officially still at war with it. B…

You spent a lot of words saying “nobody knows anything” while conveniently ignoring the mountains of defectors’ testimonies, satellite imagery, and reports from human rights orgs that paint a bleak but consistent picture. But sure, let’s pretend the real problem is me not being epistemologically pure enough about the world’s most repressive regime.

Your entire comment boils down to: “We can’t trust any sources, so how dare you have an opinion.” That’s not skepticism, that’s intellectual paralysis dressed up as nuance.

And yes, invoking Flat Earth was apt—because entertaining every counter-narrative, no matter how unmoored from reality, in the name of balance is exactly how we ended up with people thinking the Earth is a disk.

But by all means, tell me more about the utopia behind the DMZ, if not hush too. You have said a lot of nothing.

What a world we live in. You cannot even call NK a repressive regime without folks jumping to point out how wrong you are. Maybe you need to go through the test your self and denounce the supreme leader.

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