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A startup doesn't need to be a unicorn

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Re: A startup doesn't need to be a unicorn

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Here's a model that exists in Germany, which I like: You can present a business plan to the state's investment bank and apply for several financial aides, including: * 1.5 years of universal basic income for you plus up to 2 other people. It's a tiny amount of money, but the point is to free you up to invest your actual time an money into the business. You do not have to pay this back. * up to 20k EUR in "consulting…

Which land?

Last time I checked and looked for different support scheme all that was offered in Berlin was some 90s style support for office equipment (we are fully remote) support or 1/2 salary on an intern.

Truly pathetic back in the early 2024.

Re: A startup doesn't need to be a unicorn

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It's also connected to so much bureaucracy that you almost need to hire someone for that alone, because you wont have as much time for your actual business. Founding a company in Germany is so much unnecessary paperwork its crazy. Single handedly the only reason I will never try it in my home country.

I just founded in Germany. The paperwork is … okay. Not much more crazy than tax returns or internal accounting you need to do in any jurisdiction. But yes, running any organization is a lot of work.

Is there an opportunity to streamline the paperwork mentioned to reduce friction for founding in Germany?

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No that's for a full GmbH. You can start with an "UG", which realistically needs maybe 1500 EUR to get registered and up and running. Then, a certain percentage of the profit is contributed towards the 25k (of which in turn only 12.5k have to be deposited in cash) each financial year. If the threshold is met, you can convert from UG to GmbH.

Always go for GmbH. UG will make you account for everything with your private money. If something goes wrong in your business you'll be dirt poor.

Only up to 25k.

UG allows you to incorporate for 1eur (600eur with accountant, notary, etc) and you are liable only up to level of full GmbH which is 25k.

Re: A startup doesn't need to be a unicorn

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Well yes, that's called a regular company. Not sure if I'm missing something here?

At least some years ago, browsing HN's comment section felt like it was a different world, separated from reality. I think some people need this kind of grounding reminders every once in a while.

If you read enough comments about AI or LLMs on here you will realize the people of Hacker News do live in a different world from reality.

Re: A startup doesn't need to be a unicorn

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While I completely agree with many of the points that you made, I disagree with some: > Bureaucracy is crazy in Germany. Forget about doing anything online, paper and in person only. The latter point has nothing to do with bureaucracy. > Germany is also one of the least friendly countries for expats. And I say that as a native Germain. Officials will refuse to speak English to you. Yes, refuse. For example in the USA…

> For example in the USA, they will refuse to speak German with you. So what? Actually they would most likely be delighted to show off their German if they knew any. But that is besides the point. English for better or worse is the current international language. I can found a new company in Estonia in literal minutes without speaking a single word of Estonian and without being physically present in the country becau…

> I can found a new company in Estonia in literal minutes without speaking a single word of Estonian and without being physically present in the country because the whole process is digital and in English.

Bad example. When you incorporate in Estonia, if you come through eResidency, they are very clear and very open in stating that ANY interaction with tax office and/or judicial system WILL be and MUST be performed in Estonian.

Re: A startup doesn't need to be a unicorn

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https://paulgraham.com/growth.html

"A startup is a company designed to grow fast. Being newly founded does not in itself make a company a startup. Nor is it necessary for a startup to work on technology, or take venture funding, or have some sort of "exit." The only essential thing is growth. Everything else we associate with startups follows from growth."

Re: A startup doesn't need to be a unicorn

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Yes, ego.-START: https://www.ib-sachsen-anhalt.de/gruender/neue-existenz-grue... (just of the programs)

So Founder's scholarship: 2,000 euros per month for a period of max. 18 months? Wow, much better than I expected. How difficult is it to get this scholarship?

Not at all. Here's how you'd go about it:

* for each medium to large University, there will usually be at least one person, if not an entire org of people that will guide you through the process, manage comms with the bank and help you to frame the business plan. These institutions (what I referred to as an "accelerator" in my OP) are publicly funded. You do not pay them.

* prepare your business plan (milestones, market research, financial plan) - at this point you can also utilize other financial support (e.g. matched funds for market research)

* you nominate a "mentor" - this is meant to be an independent expert that will serve as an informal advisor and secondary contact for the bank. There's no liability involved, and usually this is an industry expert, or professor, etc.

* bank accepts the business plan and starts payments

* during the scholarship, the bank will keep in touch with you and the mentor to check in on your business plan milestones. This is mostly an anti-fraud check.

It's important to realize there's an alignment of incentives here:

* you want to start a company and get financial support

* the accelerator advanced its mission (get more startups going)

* the bank advances its mission (create more value in the local region)

* the business plan and milestones unlock ultra-low-interest follow-up financing if you need it, since the bank has already been involved for 18 months and knows the potential/liabilities of your business

This all sounds like a lot, but I've seen founders go through the entire process in just a few weeks of planning. And much of the work, like business planning, is what you need to do anyway.

Re: A startup doesn't need to be a unicorn

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I just founded in Germany. The paperwork is … okay. Not much more crazy than tax returns or internal accounting you need to do in any jurisdiction. But yes, running any organization is a lot of work.

Is there an opportunity to streamline the paperwork mentioned to reduce friction for founding in Germany?

Yes, there are ways to buy up existing “empty” companies with a bank account, commercial registration, etc. If you want to found a new one, there are also services that will prepare all paperwork and set up appointments with notaries, etc. for you for affordable prices Day to day operations do generally not require much else than bookkeeping and accounting which you can almost fully outsource (though accountant fees are not cheap, however, doing it yourself is also not to hard if you have the right software and do not sell thousands of different products) unless you are in specific industries There are a few unnecessary fees and it takes longer than it should to get started but for most businesses it does not really matter and is limited in scope when it comes to time and money needed
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