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Re: Tech companies are telling immigrant employees on visas not to leave the U.S.

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Post by parineum » Thu, Apr 03, 2025, 6:02 AM UTC

watwut wrote: post #140

parineum wrote: post #69

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> who with a majority in the court... There is a judicial conservative majority. That doesn't mean they are a Trumpian, Republican or even conservative rubber stamp. The court has ruled against conservatives numerous times already.

They are openly enablers, twisting the rules for them whenever they can. Thomas is also quite corrupt. Kavanaugh is purely political advancing conservative project. Alito the same, with better excuses.

Kavanaugh has been a swing vote several cases that have gone against conservatives. He's been fairly judicially consistent in his interpretation of the law, even when it isn't in favor of Republicans.

Re: Tech companies are telling immigrant employees on visas not to leave the U.S.

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Post by lurk2 » Thu, Apr 03, 2025, 6:06 AM UTC

salawat wrote: post #98

xfp wrote: post #47

Given all the remote work tech that the pandemic helped mature, the answer seems obvious.

Seems but isn't due to the way taxation/jurisdiction/licensure works. Where you are doing your work from and where the benefactor of that work are make a big difference. Example: Doctors can't telehealth over State lines. Lawyers likewise. Employers aren't supposed to allow migrant workers to work from across state lines from their address of record. A great deal of draconian control is actually implemented through e…

> so much of it is predicated on actually keeping you locked ino one geographical location.

Most of the digital nomad hubs have the same laws with regards to worker protections and tax residency; they're just too poor to enforce them. The same is true of the workers themselves. In the 2010s I remember seeing a lot of guys bragging about having virtual assistants in the Philippines. This was probably illegal on both sides of the transaction the way that they had it set up, the issue is that the people working these jobs do not have the resources to pursue a case against a US-based employer; that's assuming they have the knowledge and motivation necessary to sue the employer in the first place. I'm not as libertarian as I once was, but these kinds of arrangements are a no-brainer; it's all of the upside of the free movement of labor with none of the downside of that labor being physically relocated.

Re: Tech companies are telling immigrant employees on visas not to leave the U.S.

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Post by lurk2 » Thu, Apr 03, 2025, 6:10 AM UTC

Yeul wrote: post #17

Funny thing is that getting a visa for China is now more seemless than it has ever been and they love my euros.

China detained two Canadians for almost three years in retaliation for Canada cooperating on a US warrant for Meng Wanzhou. They can make you disappear in the way that people in this thread are pretending the Americans can. It is not safe to travel there.

Re: Tech companies are telling immigrant employees on visas not to leave the U.S.

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Post by OccamsMirror » Thu, Apr 03, 2025, 6:15 AM UTC

kragen wrote: post #129

OccamsMirror wrote: post #93

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As an Australian I'm pretty keen to start seeing a higher tier of people choosing Australia over the US to move to now.

Australia is not famous for openness to immigration; people overseas are more likely to know about Pauline Hanson and the prison camps in Nauru.

We're pretty open to skilled migration. Especially from places like India.

Re: Tech companies are telling immigrant employees on visas not to leave the U.S.

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Post by OccamsMirror » Thu, Apr 03, 2025, 6:16 AM UTC

watwut wrote: post #136

OccamsMirror wrote: post #90

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Well if the adults don't put up a toddler gate, who's fault is it when the toddler falls down the stairs?

Republicans are not toddlers. If an alcoholic adult falls on stairs, itnis not fault of his wife.

'Twas just a tongue in cheek explanation.

Re: Tech companies are telling immigrant employees on visas not to leave the U.S.

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Post by dragonwriter » Thu, Apr 03, 2025, 6:18 AM UTC

lurk2 wrote: post #137

TylerE wrote: post #127

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That the administration thinks they just just drag people into vans and ship them off to a foreign prison?

> That the administration thinks they just just drag people into vans and ship them off to a foreign prison? Can you point to a specific instance where this has occurred, and what laws you believe were broken? I'm not qualified to say if the El Salvador detention facilities are legal or not, but my understanding is that ICE has always had the authority to arrest illegal immigrants, and that a potential penalty for il…

> Can you point to a specific instance where this has occurred,

All of the removals to El Salvador (before those were halted by judicial order) premised on the improper invocation (because there has been no invasion of the US by a foreign state) of the Alien Enemies Act, who had neither deportation hearings nor criminal trials.

> and what laws you believe were broken?

The 1st (because the actual basis was often protected speech unrelated to the asserted premise of removal), 5th (because of denial of due process), 8th (because of conditions in the prison where they are sent), and 13th (because the prison involves involuntary servitude, and they were condemned to it without a criminal conviction) Amendments, as well as the Alien Enemies Act, whose requirements were not faithfully applied.

> my understanding is that ICE has always had the authority to arrest illegal immigrants, and that a potential penalty for illegal entry is imprisonment.

ICE has always had authority to detail alleged illegal immigrants. Deportation for illegal presence has an administrative process which was not followed in these cases, imprisonment for illegal entry (which is not implied by illegal presence) requires a criminal conviction.

Re: Tech companies are telling immigrant employees on visas not to leave the U.S.

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft » Thu, Apr 03, 2025, 6:30 AM UTC

em-bee wrote: post #104

jmye wrote: post #46

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> both sides were too scared to test or even acknowledge I think that’s harsh. I think the folks in government generally believed that the opposition was there in good faith and with the intent of strengthening the nation, even if they disagreed on how. I don’t think that’s the case any longer and institutions based on good faith don’t work when the group in power is willing to light everything on fire.

i think this is a key point, and this is why this problem will remain until we make some drastic changes. to look at a completely different example: the internet was designed on good faith. year after year more things have been put into place to protect against those not operating in good faith. proof of work against AI bots is just the latest example. what is really needed is a change in education. we need to teach…

>what is really needed is a change in education. we need to teach the next generation that operating in good faith is absolutely essential for the future of mankind.

How can mankind have any future at all, when education is one of the tools used to indoctrinate children into not wanting children of their own someday? The first priority of any society/civilization must always be that of making the next generation of people... or else that society/civilization will soon cease to exist. And we no longer hold that as a priority. Whatever the solution might be, I do not think that it can use the education system, in whole or in part, without serious reform of the sort that would frighten those who most want to use it.

Furthermore, it may be the case that our particular nation is composed of two distinct groups who no longer have enough common values that we can effectively remain a singular nation. At least not without one coming to dominate the other decisively. Which is unfortunate given that there are many foreign powers that would take advantage of any possible divorce, amicable or hostile.

Re: Tech companies are telling immigrant employees on visas not to leave the U.S.

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft » Thu, Apr 03, 2025, 6:34 AM UTC

BrenBarn wrote: post #105

atmavatar wrote: post #83

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> We live with consequences of failures of the Democratic party for the last decade. While that's not completely wrong, I find it fascinating that everyone seems to treat the Republican party as having no culpability. We have a Republican party that's had a policy goal of blowing up the government for a half century with varying levels of how far they were willing to take it, but it's the Democratic party's fault for…

I mean, I think most people who say this do think the Republicans are more to blame. It's just that they also think the Republicans are beyond hope so there's no point attempting to make them feel guilty. Also we as humans tend to assign a different flavor of blame to people who do bad things than to people who claim to be preventing them while not actually doing so. If a criminal is holding a victim at gunpoint and…

>It's just that they also think the Republicans are beyond hope so there's no point attempting to make them feel guilty.

How could one ever hope to make them feel guilty about wanting different things than Democratic voters? They do not want to be your friends, or your neighbors, or any other relationship where they should feel guilty for their voting interests. You might as well ask yourself why you don't feel guilty for leaning Democrat.

Re: Tech companies are telling immigrant employees on visas not to leave the U.S.

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft » Thu, Apr 03, 2025, 6:39 AM UTC

wruza wrote: post #106

HEmanZ wrote: post #37

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I don’t think your hypothetical is crazy at all. I learned this weekend that much of my close family, who were pretty normal conservatives just a couple of years ago, now believe that all legal and illegal immigrants have been let into the country by jws to eliminate the white race. And that’s not an exaggeration at all. Like I’m mincing words to make them look less bad. My family is not the down and out, they never…

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>If the goal is not to eliminate the white race (which some left figures actually promoted as I see it from the outside, so why you even wonder?) then what does that change? Unnatural/unassimilated immigrantion is a real concern for those who value their cultural climate. What's wrong with having these concerns or values?

About 5 or 6 months ago, here on HN, there was a headline from a major/reputable news source that said the Canadian government wanted a population of 100 million (when they currently have 30ish million, and fertility rates that will see their population shrink instead of grow). Whether there are any racist designs on the white race or not, it's clear that governments consider all of us completely substitutable/expendable, and they will replace us (almost certainly regardless of our skin color, come to that). No one's trying to hide this, it isn't a secret. Very few are so dumb as to not realize that something's up. So whenever anyone tries to debunk the various conspiracy theories about X replacement it can only sound like lies.

Re: Tech companies are telling immigrant employees on visas not to leave the U.S.

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft » Thu, Apr 03, 2025, 6:46 AM UTC

kragen wrote: post #126

tgma wrote: post #53

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I mean, I was discussing the law, now we pivot to emotions? The "masked" guys immediately showed their badges if we are talking about the same incident. When you come to the US on a visa, you should not be under any illusions that is not the case. In fact, a US visa is not even guarantee of entry to the US as you are reminded when you get one. I am not aware if any other country behaves differently if they want a for…

Here in Argentina, legal immigrants' visas cannot be revoked, and illegal immigrants generally can only be deported if they are accused of a crime. (Being present illegally is not itself a crime.) They have several weeks to challenge the deportation in court. Nearly all other countries behave differently. The kind of "immigration law enforcement" we're seeing today in the US is far outside the norms of liberal democr…

>that gives thugs free rein to grab people who are not harming others off the street, and imprison them, is immoral,

What's harm? Do they have to have harmful intent, or would you object if their presence was unintentionally harmful? Does the harm have to be grievous bodily injury, or is economic harm enough? Why am I allowed to evict trespassers from my home even if they're causing me no physical injury, but the government isn't allowed to evict trespassers to our country unless they can prove some violent felony? It isn't some fundamental human right to live within the borders of the United States.