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Honey has now lost 4M Chrome users after shady tactics were revealed

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Re: Honey has now lost 4M Chrome users after shady tactics were revealed

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A couple of YouTubers I watch promoted this and given what I assumed it did, I'm surprised that's all it does. If it seems to good to be true, it probably is.

I figured it just made money by tracking and selling your browsing history, it's owned by PayPal after all. I was shocked to learn about the cookie-stuffing. That's like, arguably a crime.

Re: Honey has now lost 4M Chrome users after shady tactics were revealed

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How does displaying a message "Honey didn't find any discounts for your order" on the cart screen, increasing that percentage?

A potential customer could leave the site, spend time searching for a coupon code, not find anything and give up, and then not return to the site to complete the purchase. Honey could keep users on the site moving through the order flow even if it didn't find anything.

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Re: Honey has now lost 4M Chrome users after shady tactics were revealed

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What about the Capital One extension which was doing the exact same thing?

Do you have a source for that? I assume they just sold browsing data, since that's the easiest way to make money in this sort of space (or, I guess, used it to better figure out what kind of credit card you'd consider applying for?)

Re: Honey has now lost 4M Chrome users after shady tactics were revealed

#144

In case you missed it, a co-founder of Honey did an AMA on this topic a few days ago. https://old.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1jlfms8/im_ryan_hudso... I'm not a honey user but I thought this section was interesting: > This gets a bit technical but in the video, Jonathon carefully shows you that the ‘NV_MC_LC’ cookie changes from Linus Tech Tips -> Paypal when a user engages with Honey. What he must have seen is that t…

He's blatantly ignoring that most affiliate programs only payout to the last-click. Okay...great...the first click attribution is maintained, but if there is no payout for it, then the core issue is still the issue.

What is he blatantly ignoring? He's actually in a comment right above directly addressing mitigating last-click with stand-down policies.

Re: Honey has now lost 4M Chrome users after shady tactics were revealed

#145

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I think you misunderstand the feature. Ground news tells you the bias of publications that have published the news item not the slant of the news item itself. It lets you see how much news gets completely ignored by the right and left (the right is way worse) when it isn't favorable to their cause. It's also really interesting to sample both sides and see how wildly the facts get slanted as you get further from cente…

I think I understand this feature pretty well. What I'm arguing for is taking the common information between all news sources (without having to place them in left / right / center) is much higher signal to noise. Honestly your paranthesis that "the right is way worse" is already too political for my taste. It makes me feel dumb for even writing this reply. Alas, these are my thoughts. News should be news. What happe…

> What happened and when.

"What" is often a matter of definition and framing, especially if you also want news to include "to what effect" which is not always black-and-white. "Why" is an answer that also must be answered, but will often come through a political lens. News cannot be free from a political lens if "why" and "to what effect" are considered, and probably can't be free from some element of a political lens even if just sticking to "what".

Re: Honey has now lost 4M Chrome users after shady tactics were revealed

#146

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Didn't the guy that ran Skeptoid go to jail for similar?

I'm sorry what? Skeptoid the podcast? Edit: Yes . In 2014. How did I miss that? Used to listen to that podcast, though probably stopped before that.

Yes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Dunning_(author)#Wire_fr...

Re: Honey has now lost 4M Chrome users after shady tactics were revealed

#147

Why do retailers put up with Honey? They're clearly not providing value with the attribution theft. Why give them money?

Extortion, essentially. Honey will actually give users the largest available discount if the retailer doesn't buy into the affiliate program (i.e. the retailer loses money). If they do agree, then the retailer can limit the coupons and discount code shown to customers through Honey.

This is not true. In the affiliate marketing space, Honey won many awards for being great business partners. Yes, there are examples of retailers being impacted when Honey picked up on a coupon that was not supposed to be public, but Honey always cooperated at removing such codes whether you partnered with them or not.

Re: Honey has now lost 4M Chrome users after shady tactics were revealed

#148

Why do retailers put up with Honey? They're clearly not providing value with the attribution theft. Why give them money?

Retailers have budget to spend and have that spend deliver a return. It's just a simple return on investment. CJ, one of the biggest affiliate companies even encourages working with shopping extensions. https://junction.cj.com/cj-value-of-browser-extension-study-...

Re: Honey has now lost 4M Chrome users after shady tactics were revealed

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Extortion, essentially. Honey will actually give users the largest available discount if the retailer doesn't buy into the affiliate program (i.e. the retailer loses money). If they do agree, then the retailer can limit the coupons and discount code shown to customers through Honey.

This is not true. In the affiliate marketing space, Honey won many awards for being great business partners. Yes, there are examples of retailers being impacted when Honey picked up on a coupon that was not supposed to be public, but Honey always cooperated at removing such codes whether you partnered with them or not.

Great business partner providing ... what value?

They're not guiding the user to shop a or shop b, they're

- redirecting the attribution away from the actual affiliate (could hurt shops because their affiliates become unhappy and advertise their competitors)

- automatically applying coupons that decrease the shop's margin.

How are they "great business partners"?

Re: Honey has now lost 4M Chrome users after shady tactics were revealed

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Those I have less of a problem with. What I actually have a problem with is the supplement sales, VPN sales, and gambling sales. "Here's a magic multivitamin that will make you feel 1000% better!". "You are so unsafe by not using a VPN, here use our service which also gets to peak at everything you send through it". "Wanna bet on this Ping-Pong championship? Well, grab some crypto and go to this 'not legal in the US…

What's wrong with VPNs? Seems like the tamest thing to sell in terms of ethical impact. any security middleman can be skewed negatively if you phrase it as "they get to peek at everything". That's what a security app needs to properly protect you, and why these apps live and die on credibility (see: Crowdstrike). Fortunately none of the youtubers I watched ever went full dark horse and pawned off gambling and scams,…

> What's wrong with VPNs?

Nothing is inherently wrong but I trust my ISP a lot more than some random guys in Switzerland or Israel or whatever tax haven islands they operate from. They lie about what they’re good for which is just hiding things from my ISP. The rest of the benefits are fake

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