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Utah becomes first US state to ban fluoride in its water

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Re: Utah becomes first US state to ban fluoride in its water

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Post by plaqueattack »

freehorse wrote: post #123

This is one of these US-specific polarised debates I find really bizarre, around some kind of issue that the rest of the world has by large solved but without any acknowledgement of this fact. Maybe the US should look into how other countries have solved it? It is completely bizarre witnessing both sides getting so polarised around a basically non-issue.

These people have been around forever but the pivotal point in my opinion is when the Lancet retracted the article on the link between MMR and autism.

Suddenly everything was up for debate.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancet_MMR_autism_fraud

Re: Utah becomes first US state to ban fluoride in its water

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Post by UltraSane »

freehorse wrote: post #123

This is one of these US-specific polarised debates I find really bizarre, around some kind of issue that the rest of the world has by large solved but without any acknowledgement of this fact. Maybe the US should look into how other countries have solved it? It is completely bizarre witnessing both sides getting so polarised around a basically non-issue.

There is not real debate, just some people who don't understand how chemistry works.

Re: Utah becomes first US state to ban fluoride in its water

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Post by koolba »

habosa wrote: post #85

I’m disappointed in the news media fails to mention the cascading effects of dental health. Yes, the primary and direct benefit of fluoride is to have a healthier mouth. But having a healthy mouth is far from the end goal, imo. If your mouth is full of cavities you’re more likely to build up bacteria that cause downstream effects as serious as heart disease. Also if your mouth is routinely uncomfortable you may gravi…

> They’re not going to run public health campaigns stressing the importance of regular brushing. They’re just willing to let people’s teeth rot to score points.

Do you really think there are sizable native born populations that are not aware of tooth brushing?

There’s plenty of people that don’t bother with it, but I don’t see a PR campaign being particularly effective at changing that.

Re: Utah becomes first US state to ban fluoride in its water

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Post by UltraSane »

apothegm wrote: post #86
Speedy218 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but now it is “overmedicating” a vulnerable fraction of the population. Makes sense, but the intention also is that many people do not brush their teeth, or at least do not brush them as often as they should, and so fluoride is added to drinking water to compensate so people's teeth don't start to fall out at an alarming rate.

Sadly, an alarming percentage of Americans don't drink water. I’ve spoken to way too many people who think water tastes wrong because it’s not sweet enough.

Wisconsin tap water tastes fine. Waco, Texas tap water is really nasty.

Re: Utah becomes first US state to ban fluoride in its water

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Post by UltraSane »

welder wrote: post #120
timeon wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 20% tips Is this real?

One of the many reasons I left the USA. Too bad US-Americans are so used to tipping 20% they even do it when traveling... giving the rest of us a reputation as being suckers.

Tipping is why you left the US? Really?

Re: Utah becomes first US state to ban fluoride in its water

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Post by fashion-at-cost »

mjevans wrote: post #102
lolinder wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, this is one of those places where because RFK Jr took the anti- stand there's an understandable assumption that it's more nutty anti-science stuff, but it's much less clear cut when it comes to fluoridation. Europe has much lower rates than the US, which is an outlier on these stats only approached by Australia, and before Utah the major high profile anti-fluoride stance was made by Portland: https://www.wweek.…

I'd be happier if that broken-but-correct-2x-a-day guy banned HFCS (High Fructose Corn Syrup) instead. It is my personal hypothesis that it is the cause of 'sugar cancer' (general cases of bad sugars / imbalances of sugars in the body), including Diabetes.

Not a chance that will happen, given the corn production of America. We have the most productive land in the world for growing maize, and Lord knows we’ll find shit to do with it.

Re: Utah becomes first US state to ban fluoride in its water

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Post by UltraSane »

dataflow wrote: post #23
jsbisviewtiful wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There isn’t any. The very little research showing any effects on cognitive abilities are experiments using very high fluoride levels - nowhere near the levels in water. Like most conservative “stances”, it’s a farce.

Thanks. I guess then my next question is, why are they doing this? Whom is it benefiting? Big Water?

Dentists are going to make a lot of money filling so many more cavities.

Re: Utah becomes first US state to ban fluoride in its water

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Post by TeaBrain »

dataflow wrote: post #6

What is the best evidence in favor of this?

Another question is whether there's still evidence for continuing to fluoridate water with how common toothpaste use is now. If nothing else, if it isn't providing benefits over toothpaste use, then fluoridating water could just be a waste of public funds.

Re: Utah becomes first US state to ban fluoride in its water

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Post by ein0p »

ourmandave wrote: post #125

Does filtering your water with a whole house filter take the fluoride out? Because I live in a small township that delivers well water to you tap. It tastes horrible, shortens the life of pipes and appliances, and smells like sulfur. Every year they mail a flyer that explains how the lead levels are dangerously above the national standard and you should run the tap before you drink from it. Like, sorry there's nothin…

If it's reverse osmosis based, yes. If it's some other kind of filter, likely no, and you should buy a TDS meter and use it, because in all likelihood it's not really filtering anything. I did exactly this. It turned out that my carbon based filter had more TDS than completely unfiltered water from a tap in the garden. RO water, even re-mineralized, had 1/15th the TDS IIRC.

Re: Utah becomes first US state to ban fluoride in its water

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Post by csdreamer7 »

kstrauser wrote: post #12
dboreham wrote: post #3

You can provide your own flouride (live in a house with well water).

You can provide lots of stuff yourself if the state abandons the whole idea of public health. Of course, be prepared for your taxes and/or insurance going up to cover your neighbors who don't pay for the same preventative care.

Pretty much-was told by an insurance broker one of the biggest factors past history of weather and the obvious things (flooding possibility, dry trees) is my neighbors. Didn't get into specifics but I suspect drugs and gangs.
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