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Re: Most promoted and blocked domains on Kagi

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Post by KomoD »

almyk wrote: post #114
ipaddr wrote: post #111

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I hear a lot of good things about kagi but privacy isn't one. They need to record every search and connect it to your account. Duckduckgo is more known for privacy and searches well through tor. Here are the stats: https://kagi.com/stats How many are paid vs trial accounts? We know family doesn't offer a trial nor teams. 126 teams x 5 or 6 members = 1,000 accounts at 10 per day 10k 4500 family plans: most will take t…

> I hear a lot of good things about kagi but privacy isn't one. They need to record every search and connect it to your account. Looking at their privacy policy they state the following: > We may store web requests made by user browser temporarily, with strict retention periods, for debugging purposes, and in a manner that they are not linked to an account. https://kagi.com/privacy#server-data

Is it actually true though? They've lied about other things, what stops them from lying about that?

For 2 years they've said "Kagi has zero marketing budget and spends zero on marketing", that's a lie and they still haven't changed it. They've sponsored over 200 youtube videos https://filmot.com/search/%22brought%20to%20you%20in%20assoc...

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains on Kagi

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Post by benterix »

What I gather from this the single decision Google could make to improve Google Search is not to give Pinterest preferential treatment as most people hate it (not the site itself, it has its uses, but the way it's promoted in Google Image Search results).

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains on Kagi

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Post by rsynnott »

beachy wrote: post #12
spooneybarger wrote: post #2

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I found that interesting too. Not a Kagi customer yet but I always feel the need when googling to be able to blacklist SEO spammers, and that would include Pinterest as an image SEO spammer. But blocking political sites you don't agree with? I don't get it, it's not like they are polluting my search results.

The Daily Mail and Fox News are more purveyors of fiction than anything else (just ask News Corporation’s lawyers if you don’t believe me: https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/917747123/you-literally-cant-... ). Many people, on searching for current events, prefer news to news-based fanfic.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains on Kagi

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Post by rsynnott »

spooneybarger wrote: post #14
ddtaylor wrote: post #9

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What direction was the skew?

There's a couple "left leaning" media sources in the boost list and 3 "right leaning" in the lower list. There's none going to the other way for sources and their generally acknowledged "lean". I interpret that as a skew.

I mean the other way to look at it is that there are two quality newspapers plus the BBC in the boost list, and a notoriously dodgy tabloid, a TV news site, and whatever the hell Breitbart is (I must say, I hadn’t realised it was still a thing) in the lower list. You’re not really comparing like for like.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains on Kagi

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Post by thih9 »

randomNumber7 wrote: post #139
omoikane wrote: post #70

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Apparently Pinterest has half a billion users[1], presumably significant number of those appreciate those search results. I am also going to guess that there is little overlap between those 500M users with HN's 5M users[2] or Kagi's 43K users[3]. So while those results-gated-behind-logins might seem annoying to us, we are in the minority. [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/463353/pinterest-global-... [2] https:/…

Interesting. I didn't even know pinterest is a legitimate site. I just assumed it is som SEO scam from looking at the website for a few seconds.

Try it, you may like it. I use it for collaborative visual brainstorming with real life projects (e.g. fashion or photo ideas) and it works well for that purpose.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains on Kagi

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Post by speerer »

KomoD wrote: post #141
almyk wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I hear a lot of good things about kagi but privacy isn't one. They need to record every search and connect it to your account. Looking at their privacy policy they state the following: > We may store web requests made by user browser temporarily, with strict retention periods, for debugging purposes, and in a manner that they are not linked to an account. https://kagi.com/privacy#server-data

Is it actually true though? They've lied about other things, what stops them from lying about that? For 2 years they've said "Kagi has zero marketing budget and spends zero on marketing", that's a lie and they still haven't changed it. They've sponsored over 200 youtube videos https://filmot.com/search/%22brought%20to%20you%20in%20assoc...

Do we know that they spend money on this or is that inferred?

I asked because the search you've linked to only seems to list relatively niche chess videos on one creator's account. And the videos themselves are also ad-supported. It's (at least) not impossible that the sponsorship association is not budgeted in the way that (I think) you infer.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains on Kagi

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Post by whazor »

globular-toast wrote: post #137
yellowapple wrote: post #92

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> Does that mean Kagi's days are numbered? Why would it mean that their days are numbered? Nothing wrong with having steady income from a loyal customer-base, even if that customer-base is niche.

It would mean that if they are operating at a loss and hoping to capture more of the market later. But if they're profitable then the main danger is a competitor coming along. Growth mindset is a big part of our sick society, unfortunately. It's the only thing our politicians like to talk about, after all. Being a stable business delivering value is as good as dead.

Kagi is the only paid search engine and they are already profitable: https://blog.kagi.com/what-is-next-for-kagi

I think the bigger danger is the competition around AI chat assistants. There are other paid assistants, but you already see that even the paid assistants are getting trained to promote certain corporations.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains on Kagi

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Post by aucisson_masque »

fumufumufumu wrote: post #85

What I gather from this is few if any non-software devs use Kagi 8 of the top 10 "raised" sites are software dev sites and with #6 being MDN I'm guessing it's not just any software devs, is web developers specifically that use Kagi. Am I drawing the wrong conclusion? Does that mean Kagi's days are numbered? What would it take for them to get enough non-web-devs that the top 10 raised looked more representative of the…

Most pinned website by far is Wikipedia tho, by a large margin.
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