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Child porn? Drug markets?
Neither of those things are addressed by DNS poisoning
The UK literally requires DNS providers to do poisoning via Cleanfeed by law for child pornography.
Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law
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Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law
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For one simple reason. If the US wants some content gone from the internet, they (usually) have enough might to make that happen. Most major tech companies are registered in the US, and can be ordered by a US court to stop providing services to pirates. This notably includes most major DNS registrars, reputable ad networks and major payment processors. There's no point in blocking a website if you can just boot it of…
> If the US wants some content gone from the internet, they (usually) have enough might to make that happen There are plenty of states in the US that enacted age verification laws for porn sites. Every single one of the porn sites that are not hosted in the US just ignored the laws. I live in one of those states
This just proves my point, individual states are nowhere near powerful enough to demand those sorts of changes.
If this was a federal law (and one that the government actually cared about enforcing), it would be a different matter entirely. Case in point, all the crypto services that make themselves unavailable to AMericans, even if they have no direct links to the traditional financial system, much less American banks.
Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law
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> It's impressive how much internet censorship in Europe is currently being caused by this one group of extremely greedy people. How is this greedy? It's clearly illegal behavior, both from illegal re-broadcasters and from users. Most of those re-broadcast services aren't even free either, they're directly making money from the broadcasts they're replicating. The problem is that we still haven't figured out a way to…
> How is this greedy? It's clearly illegal behavior, both from illegal re-broadcasters and from users. Most of those re-broadcast services aren't even free either, they're directly making money from the broadcasts they're replicating. Because piracy is a service problem. Pirate streaming sites attract users because they provide a better, more convenient service than the paid options. We've recently seen this happen i…
This is bollocks.
Netflix gained popularity because they sold their service artificially cheap at a loss for many years to build market share and Kill off their competition, and that's it.
Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law
#144Is all that folks "Why is Europe like that" from US? In that case, remember that TikTok is going to be banned because it is destroying US social networks business. On the contrary, this is an official order after the proof of copyright infringement, and targets the specific devices that are attached by people here in Italy on their TVs to stoke content (pezzotto). It's not single people that go watch some streaming,…
Banning TikTok from the U.S. is really just banning them engaging in financial transactions in the U.S. Asking Google or whoever to poison DNS in a country is a whole different technical ball of wax. The two are not comparable. One difference is that ByteDance won't attempt to engage in financial transactions in the U.S. because doing so would create a diplomatic crisis and anyways it's not easy for a company of that…
The US ban banned app stores from providing their free applications, which is just as much as a technical choke point as DNS and nothing to do with financial transactions.
Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law
#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
> How is this greedy? It's clearly illegal behavior, both from illegal re-broadcasters and from users. Most of those re-broadcast services aren't even free either, they're directly making money from the broadcasts they're replicating. Because piracy is a service problem. Pirate streaming sites attract users because they provide a better, more convenient service than the paid options. We've recently seen this happen i…
>Pirate streaming sites attract users because they provide a better, more convenient service than the paid options. Pirate streaming sites attract users because they are cheaper. People are using them because they can’t or won’t pay.
disagree. in the US my family would need to sign up to 5 different streaming platforms to be able to view everything that we watch. So that’s 5 separate accounts i need to create, 5 separate apps to install, and i need to remember which app each TV show or movie is in on my apple tv.
And then sometimes only 1 or 2 seasons of a show are available for free on amazon prime, and i need to pay PER EPISODE for the remaining content. It’s also fun when a show my wife wants to watch is not available in our region - even if we wish to pay for it.
Talk about a garbage experience!
There’s a reason _some_ people with the technical chops set up something like plex or jellyfin, and source the content (via torrents or usenet) using sonarr, radarr, etc (the “ARR” stack). For some its cost savings. Others just can’t be bothered.
We can argue about the ethics of doing so all day, but it’s truly a failure on the industries part that they make things so complicated.
Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law
#146Why must the Europeans be like this? Why do they insist on fucking with a free and open internet instead of addressing the apparently unmet demand that is fueling a black market?
Lol.
Operation Choke Point. MasterCard's (secret) list of banned terms. FOSTA/SESTA
The US has literally never had a free and open internet and has exported much of their toxicity.
Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law
#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
Child porn? Drug markets?
What about drug markets? There will always be demand for it, for many reasons. You simply cannot stop demand. Have a good read: https://academic.oup.com/book/2163 .
I agree with you. My point is that one persons “arbitrary restrictions” is different from somebody else’s.
Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law
#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
What about drug markets? There will always be demand for it, for many reasons. You simply cannot stop demand. Have a good read: https://academic.oup.com/book/2163 .
I agree with you. My point is that one persons “arbitrary restrictions” is different from somebody else’s.
I completely agree.
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I'm not sure North Korea is a place you'd make a car rental, but this is now 99% of car rentals work: 1. You agree up-front in the contract with the car rental company that you will pay for all fines, parking tickets, etc. you might incur during the rental. You agree ahead of time the rental company won't waste any money defending you, arguing you didn't do it, and will instead pay the whole fine immediately and pass…
> The rental company immediately bills you for the fine ...just to find out the card is blocked :)
You can get away with that once, but the downside is you can't rent a car again (from that company, and possibly other companies if they share information about fraudsters with each other)
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From the revenue extraction POV, the optimum price is such that user is unhappy to pay it, but is still paying, while raising the price even by a small amount would convince the user to cancel the service. This means that the companies are constantly testing this edge, and check whether too many subscribers start to fall off the edge when the price rises.
This is only true in economics model that do not take any morality or the customer's satisfaction into account.
That is literally any economic model that assumes capitalism as the underlying system.
Morality and ethics are just a way to hurt profits.