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Claude can now search the web

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Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by nilkn »

willio58 wrote: post #137
joshstrange wrote: post #110

Massive props to Anthropic for announcing a feature _and_ making it available for everyone right away. OpenAI is so annoying in this aspect. They will regularly give timelines for rollout that not met or simply wrong. Edit: "Everyone" = Everyone who pays. Sorry if this sounds mean but I don't care about what the free tier gets or when. As a paying user for both Anthropic and OpenAI I was just pointing out the rollout…

> OpenAI is so annoying in this aspect. They will regularly give timelines for rollout that not met or simply wrong. I have empathy for the engineers in this case. You know it’s a combination of sales/marketing/product getting WAY ahead of themselves by doing this. Then the engineers have to explain why they cannot in fact reach an arbitrary deadline. Meanwhile the people not in the work get to blame those working on…

Many of OpenAI's announcements seem to be timed almost perfectly as responses to other events in the industry or market. I think Sam just likes to keep the company in the news and the cultural zeitgeist, and he doesn't really care if what he's announcing is ready to scale to users yet or not.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by joshstrange »

deivid wrote: post #129
joshstrange wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Web search is available now in feature preview for all paid Claude users in the United States. It is for all paid users, something OpenAI is slow on. I pay for both and I often forget to try OpenAI's new things because they roll out so slow. Sometimes it's same-day but they are all over the map in how long it takes to roll out.

For all paid users _in America_. It's not available for me in Europe.

Apologies, I updated my original comment, I missed that completely.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by victorbjorklund »

mvdtnz wrote: post #68
_2d30 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it should. If a user asks the AI to read the web for them, it should read the web for them. This isn't a vacuum charged with crawling the web, it's an adhoc GET request.

No thank you, when I define a robots.txt file I expect all automated systems to respect it.

A browser is automated too.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by rustc »

Beijinger wrote: post #133
magackame wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google search is crap. It seems to be a sentiment among many HNers, but is it really that bad? I mostly use it for programming, so documentation/forums and it works out greatly. For some queries it even returns personal blogs (which people seem to bash google for not happening). Of course there are some queries that return purely AI blogspam, but reformatting the query with a bit more thought usually solves it. I won…

Is google search bad? Click here to find ten reasons why it is bad and 10 reasons why you should still use it. Yes, it is that bad. Website of Nike? Website of Starbucks? Likely position number one. Every product, category etc., e.g. what rice cooker should I buy? Is diseased by link and affiliate spam. There is a reason why people put +reddit on search terms.

What kind of results does Kagi give for "What rice cooker should I buy?"? (Not asking you specifically, but if any Kagi user could compare.)

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by eli »

HankWozHere wrote: post #124
tcdent wrote: post #102

Searching the web is a great feature in theory, but every implementation I've used so far looks at the top X hits and then interprets it to be the correct answer. When you're talking to an LLM about popular topics or common errors, the top results are often just blogspam or unresolved forum posts, so the you never get an answer to your problem. More of an indicator that web search is more unusable than ever, but inte…

Kagi Assistant allows you to do search with LLM queries. So far I feel it bears reliable results. For instance - I tried couple of queries for product suggestions and came back with some good results. Whilst it’s a premium service , I find the offering to be of good value.

It's neat but I've found the value kinda variable. It seems heavily influenced by whatever the first few hits are for a query based on your question, so if it's the kind of question that can be answered with a simple search it works well. But of course those are the kinds of questions where you need it the least.

I find myself much more often using their "Quick Answer" feature, which shows a brief LLM answer above the results themselves. Makes it easier to see where it's getting things from and whether I need to try the question a different way.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by sumeno »

Beijinger wrote: post #133
magackame wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google search is crap. It seems to be a sentiment among many HNers, but is it really that bad? I mostly use it for programming, so documentation/forums and it works out greatly. For some queries it even returns personal blogs (which people seem to bash google for not happening). Of course there are some queries that return purely AI blogspam, but reformatting the query with a bit more thought usually solves it. I won…

Is google search bad? Click here to find ten reasons why it is bad and 10 reasons why you should still use it. Yes, it is that bad. Website of Nike? Website of Starbucks? Likely position number one. Every product, category etc., e.g. what rice cooker should I buy? Is diseased by link and affiliate spam. There is a reason why people put +reddit on search terms.

"what rice cooker should I buy" returns a pretty in depth article on bonappetit.com and reddit as the top results, both recommending Zojirushi

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by usrbinbash »

_2d30 wrote: post #39
NBJack wrote: post #10

I wonder if it will actually respect the robots.txt this time.

I don't think it should. If a user asks the AI to read the web for them, it should read the web for them. This isn't a vacuum charged with crawling the web, it's an adhoc GET request.

> This isn't a vacuum charged with crawling the web, it's an adhoc GET request.

Doesn't matter. The robots-exclusion-standard is not just about webcrawlers. A `robots.txt` can list arbitrary UserAgents.

Of course, an AI with automated websearch could ignore that, as can webcrawlers.

If they chose do that, then at some point, some server admins might, (again, same as with non-compliant webcrawlers), use more drastic measures to reduce the load, by simply blocking these accesses.

For that reason alone, it will pay off to comply with established standards in the long run.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by GraffitiTim »

tcdent wrote: post #102

Searching the web is a great feature in theory, but every implementation I've used so far looks at the top X hits and then interprets it to be the correct answer. When you're talking to an LLM about popular topics or common errors, the top results are often just blogspam or unresolved forum posts, so the you never get an answer to your problem. More of an indicator that web search is more unusable than ever, but inte…

Exa (YC S21) is trying to solve this problem by re-indexing the web in an LLM-friendly way.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by nimish »

bravetraveler wrote: post #135
_heimdall wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That could very well be because the jobs are effectively useless. By no means does that mean the people are, nor is what the income allows them to do. But most jobs sure do seem pointless.

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