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Google to pay $28M to settle claims it favoured white and Asian employees

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Re: Google to pay $28M to settle claims it favoured white and Asian employees

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Post by yieldcrv »

IX-103 wrote: post #136
yieldcrv wrote: post #120

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That doesn't explain why ERG's exist for that, and it doesn't explain why they are dismissive of what people who are white && and not women encounter in life or as an employee, seeking resources Why are you invalidating their experience, its look like you have let something else leak into the workplace under an amusingly ironic interpretation of empathy Let's write it again in a different way: Nothing about the name…

Look, they had a whiskey drinkers ERG when I was there. For people that like to meet to drink whiskey. I'm not sure what OP actually proposed, but I'm reasonably sure he's not telling the whole story.

Thanks for the context

Re: Google to pay $28M to settle claims it favoured white and Asian employees

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Post by [deleted] »

jlawson wrote: post #108
unclebucknasty wrote: post #73

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> There was a ERG for literally every single race except White people. "Just join one of the others" was what they told me. Imagine moving to say, Switzerland, to work for a massive corporation. 90% of the employees are Swiss. The other 10% come from a smattering of other countries from around the world. To help those employees acclimate to a new culture and find support, the company sponsors country-based ERGs. Of c…

Google is like 45% white, 45% Asian. Asians have an ERG. If Whites want to make an ERG, why can't they? What is special about Whites that they must be prevented from doing the thing that literally all others have done?

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Re: Google to pay $28M to settle claims it favoured white and Asian employees

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Post by wijwp »

rqtwteye wrote: post #139
wijwp wrote: post #95

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> Support, networking, mentorship I get plenty of that elsewhere. Do you have issues finding support, networking events, and mentorship programs? ERGs specifically tend to group those generic, open-to-all programs together and add another layer of `navigating the workplace as [insert ERG demographic]` that doesn't really make sense if you insert "white man".

How about an ERG for people who need support? When I started working I had no idea how things work and nobody told me. I didn't even know that things like mentorship exist. I had been taught by my parents that you go to work and do what you are told to do.

> I didn't even know that things like mentorship exist.

If you don't know about mentorship programs that already exist and fills at least most of the gap you're talking about, how would you find the ERG?

Re: Google to pay $28M to settle claims it favoured white and Asian employees

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Post by umbra07 »

skyyler wrote: post #110
jlawson wrote: post #106

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>What would an ERG for white people even do? What would you want from it? The exact same thing as anyone of any other group of course. To be clear, Whites are a minority at Google. They are also not even the largest group. (Not that this should matter - all groups have the right to exist).

>Whites are a minority at Google Is that true? Do white men at google face systemic oppression?

when did we decide to redefine 'minority' as "faces systemic oppression"?

Re: Google to pay $28M to settle claims it favoured white and Asian employees

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Post by unclebucknasty »

rqtwteye wrote: post #140
unclebucknasty wrote: post #109

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> ERG groups provide mentorship and support. Yes, and Google offers a wide range of mentorship/support programs, from those for community college students to upskilling to new hires to tailored programs and more. > The assumption that all white people, males or in this case Swiss don’t need support I don't think anyone assumes that. I certainly don't. I'm sure Google provides other means of support to its employees,…

But again, why call out specific groups by gender or race and not call out others? Do people really think that a white guy from some poor area has more privilege and needs less support than some person from {insert oppressed group here} whose family is highly educated?

>But again, why call out specific groups by gender or race and not call out others?

History. There is an undeniable legacy of gender and race-based discrimination. This discrimination was absolutely laser-focused on gender and race, so is it fairer to simply ignore this and call it a wash?

For instance, some estimates of the value of free labor provided by slaves in the U.S. are upwards of $100 trillion, with an amplification effect (including an inverse one), compounding over generations.

>Do people really think that a white guy from some poor area has more privilege...

No. There are programs for people in rural areas, poorer areas, etc. To the extent that these are inadequate, they should also be addressed.

But, it's not just about economics. It's also about culture, socialization, etc.

Re: Google to pay $28M to settle claims it favoured white and Asian employees

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Post by qingcharles »

fallingknife wrote: post #137
qingcharles wrote: post #130

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I'm guessing the court made no statement either way if there was a settlement? A civil court's job in the USA is to try every possible means to help both sides to reach a settlement (or other disposition) without trial. Trial is an extraordinary remedy.

A court will never make a statement favoring either side in a settlement. A settlement means the case never went to trial, and therefore, the sides never presented their cases in full to the court, so such a statement would be completely out of line. In my brief experience with litigation the only role the court has in helping both sides achieve a settlement is forcing the litigants to go through endless and expensiv…

I've done a lot of litigation.. the last settlement I did the federal judge basically sat in her pajamas in front of her web cam all day flicking back and forth between plaintiff and defendant doing her best to talk through both sides of the arguments while trying to keep secret what the other side was telling her. She was very patient, despite how tiring and tedious the negotiations were. She was very actively engaged, though, bless her cotton socks.

Re: Google to pay $28M to settle claims it favoured white and Asian employees

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Post by dietr1ch »

ben_w wrote: post #103
dietr1ch wrote: post #84

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> On the one hand, this is linguistically correct… if we were speaking Spanish. I don't see many English words ending in X, so I doubt it's linguistically correct in English either. Normally you just borrow the word as closely as possible, maybe trying to make it easier to pronounce (see any word the Japanese borrow from English), but here people that didn't speak Spanish, but apparently knew a little bit took over.

Box. English corrupts a lot of stuff it borrows, the examples which come to mind are when people try to be fancy. See also "chai tea", the difference between beef and cow. Also corrupts itself spontaneously, what with all the "u"s in British English or how many "i"s there are in aluminium. Slient letters. Queue. Ptarmigan.

> Box.

Ok, but this isn't a Portuguese/Spanish/French word that was borrowed into English that naturally got a final X because it suited English better.

I didn't say there are no words ending in X, but it isn't common and it's not a way to help borrow words from other languages, nor is the X also borrowed.

Re: Google to pay $28M to settle claims it favoured white and Asian employees

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Post by dietr1ch »

moate wrote: post #97
dietr1ch wrote: post #35

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Side rant. Cut the Latinx crap please, Latinos don't really feel represented by the force-fed "inclusive" name that straight up goes against their gendered languages. It's overriding the language to seem more inclusive in English

Just to be clear on this one: are you Latino? Why do you speak for them? I have latino friends who insist on that language, some who don't give a fuck, and latinx friends who own that jab at the patriarchal idea of forcing gender on genderless objects or groups. Put another way: The NAACP didn't change their name, but if you called most black folk I know "colored" they'd punch you in the throat. Language is fluid and…

> Just to be clear on this one: are you Latino?

Yes, and look at the stats that the sibling post shared. I'm talking from experience and obviously some generalisation from what I saw among a few separate groups of Latinos. I'm not making stuff up just to be offended on the internet.

> I have latino friends who insist on that language, some who don't give a fuck, and latinx friends who own that jab at the patriarchal idea of forcing gender on genderless objects or groups.

Yes, but the ratios I saw had a clear trend and everyone agreed that the X at the end was clearly made up and force-fed instead of borrowed from Spanish/Portuguese/Italian/French.

Re: Google to pay $28M to settle claims it favoured white and Asian employees

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Post by dietr1ch »

rachofsunshine wrote: post #126
moate wrote: post #97

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Just to be clear on this one: are you Latino? Why do you speak for them? I have latino friends who insist on that language, some who don't give a fuck, and latinx friends who own that jab at the patriarchal idea of forcing gender on genderless objects or groups. Put another way: The NAACP didn't change their name, but if you called most black folk I know "colored" they'd punch you in the throat. Language is fluid and…

I probably agree much more with you on these issues in general than I do with the other poster, and there are so many bigger problems right now, but we don't need to speak for anyone here. We just listen to what's already been said. https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2024/09/12/la... Less than half of Hispanics have even heard the term "Latinx", and of those that have, an overwhelming majority (75%) say t…

> Less than half of Hispanics have even heard the term "Latinx"

It doesn't help that it's unnatural to even pronounce.

> there are so many bigger problems right now

Indeed, I'm more worried about the loss of true freedom of speech and the impending sense of WW3 coming. Having HR mix up race and sexual identity in some select countries is a minor complaint.

Re: Google to pay $28M to settle claims it favoured white and Asian employees

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Post by nurettin »

"Cantu claimed she performed exemplary work over seven years in Google’s people operations and cloud departments, yet languished at the same job level while white and Asian peers got extra pay and promotions."

So this is an "I feel wronged so I'm going to call you names" trial, because the only person in question is Cantu.

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