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I don't understand the shit 'managers' get on here. I've been in this industry for 15+ years and with one or two rare exceptions every manager has been great. They respect my time, when I need something they're incredibly helpful, and they care about my career development. IMO the culling over managers over the past few years is really a way to make sure you don't have someone you can discuss career development, prom…
> Amazon has launched a “bureaucracy tipline” ... Sounds like Jassy has gone full Elon. I'm guessing a chainsaw for the next earnings report.
I don't understand the shit 'managers' get on here. I've been in this industry for 15+ years and with one or two rare exceptions every manager has been great. They respect my time, when I need something they're incredibly helpful, and they care about my career development. IMO the culling over managers over the past few years is really a way to make sure you don't have someone you can discuss career development, prom…
Tbh I think this “we should have fewer managers” thing is just the current management fad. It’ll pass sooner or later.
I don't understand the shit 'managers' get on here. I've been in this industry for 15+ years and with one or two rare exceptions every manager has been great. They respect my time, when I need something they're incredibly helpful, and they care about my career development. IMO the culling over managers over the past few years is really a way to make sure you don't have someone you can discuss career development, prom…
My experience has generally been that a group of intelligent adults are capable of both planning and steering the course of their development efforts as well as carrying out those development efforts. It's not unprecedented, or a particularly radical thesis: in university research labs, as a PhD student, post-doc, or professor, you manage yourself (PhD students meeting with their advisor once every few weeks). Sure,…
For context: Total # Employee: 1,556,000 Planned # Layoff: 14,000 (or 0.9%) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_(company)
This isn't the whole story though. While Amazon might have 1.5m employees, many of those are going to be in the fulfilment and distribution process, which is a very different place to being in engineering/product/finance/business/marketing working in an office. I think it would be more useful to split the company down that line, in which case Amazon probably have ~300k(?) on the office side, and this represents more…
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Genuinely unique experience for you probably. I think career wise in 20 years I'd break down my experience as - 25% benign, 25% malign, 50% good. This is across 6+ companies, 15-20 managers.
The way people on HN sometimes talk about "management," you'd think the universal experience is 1% good, 9% benign, 90% actively seeking the downfall of civilization Managers seem like a good example of the "toupee problem" -- the ones you notice, and really remember, are the bad ones; the best, you might never see at all.
At the least a bad manager can make the place you spend a majority of your waking hours a worse place to be, and at their worse they can permanently harm the trajectory of your career or even your mental (and by proxy physical) health.
Some analogies are limited by the weight their original context conveys. I wouldn't let a surgeon get away with "the ethics board will only talk about this heinous thing I did, when most of the time they don't see me at all".
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Listen to yourself. It's management's job to manage people. Some of those people are going to be managers. So management can't police themselves apparently? I don't buy it.
Correct. It's fundamentally a problem that cannot be completely solved. People are too messy.
For context: Total # Employee: 1,556,000 Planned # Layoff: 14,000 (or 0.9%) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_(company)
This isn't the whole story though. While Amazon might have 1.5m employees, many of those are going to be in the fulfilment and distribution process, which is a very different place to being in engineering/product/finance/business/marketing working in an office. I think it would be more useful to split the company down that line, in which case Amazon probably have ~300k(?) on the office side, and this represents more…
Where does it say anything about this being only “office” jobs, as you put it.
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Genuinely unique experience for you probably. I think career wise in 20 years I'd break down my experience as - 25% benign, 25% malign, 50% good. This is across 6+ companies, 15-20 managers.
The way people on HN sometimes talk about "management," you'd think the universal experience is 1% good, 9% benign, 90% actively seeking the downfall of civilization Managers seem like a good example of the "toupee problem" -- the ones you notice, and really remember, are the bad ones; the best, you might never see at all.
Like a bad programmer can push terrible code, get caught at review and performance managed.
But a bad manager can cause much more harm. An organisation with bad management can punch itself in the face very hard and cause significant issues.
Like I have only seen a terrible management culture in 2 of my employees, but for 1 of them, it lead to:
30 or 40 careers damaged, internal stalinist purges. Months wasted on drama. 21 million yearly recurring in wasted IT expense. Probably close on 500 million in non recurring waste over 4 years. 4 million yearly recurring in executive waste. Significant brand damage, significant resume damage for people who worked through it. Actual end user harm.
> Amazon has launched a “bureaucracy tipline” ... Sounds like Jassy has gone full Elon. I'm guessing a chainsaw for the next earnings report.
A long time ago Google used to have a program called "bureaucracy busters," where submissions were reviewed by the CFO to find internal barriers to getting things done.