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U.S. pauses all military aid to Ukraine

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Post by inglor_cz »

csomar wrote: post #90
arunabha wrote: post #19

It would be one thing if there was a clear policy and adherence to it. In that case, you could discuss and reason in good faith. However there is no such indication that this decision is based on a considered policy. Trump's supporters would say that this is a result of not wanting the US being involved in foreign conflicts. That is a laudable goal, however that is not what is happening here. From the article > On Fr…

It is not a petty tantrum though it might look like one. You have to consider that the incumbents have won the US elections, that's not a small feat. What many people are missing is that if the US main challenger is China and beating Russia is a far thing, then it makes sense for the US to ally with Russia against China. For that, the US might need to give Russia something (some EU countries?) for this hustle and als…

I don't see how Russia would

a) be willing to join a US-led coalition against China, given that the US foreign policy stopped being consistent and the next administration may well make a sharp turn again;

b) be capable of joining a US-led coalition against China when they now spent 3 years slowly restructuring their infrastructure and industry from Western products to Chinese products and any break in the relations with China would mean a full stop for support, spare parts etc., which US alone, with its depleted industrial platform, is unable to compensate for.

Not to mention that Russian nationalists HATE the idea of Russia being a junior partner to anyone and especially to the Anglo-Saxons. That would be hard sell even from Putin.

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Post by stuffoverflow »

jesterson wrote: post #134
AlecSchueler wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Calling it "the endless war" makes this a loaded question. You might get a more productive response without that.

Not sure why you are trying to veer the convo in another direction, but to address it - it's been 3 years, hundreds of thousands died, and absolutely nothing achieved. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Ukraine has retained its independence. That's a big achievement on its own.

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Post by impossiblefork »

mayama wrote: post #46
arunabha wrote: post #19

It would be one thing if there was a clear policy and adherence to it. In that case, you could discuss and reason in good faith. However there is no such indication that this decision is based on a considered policy. Trump's supporters would say that this is a result of not wanting the US being involved in foreign conflicts. That is a laudable goal, however that is not what is happening here. From the article > On Fr…

> Our ability to have the world's de facto reserve currency and hence our ability to sustain debt loads way in excess of usual is largely dependent on the US being the world's cop and sole superpower. Dollar status as reserve currency started unravelling quite some time ago. It started with China's started becoming world's factory, more so after they got in to WTO and started using it to their advantage. My belief is…

Yes, but it would have taken a decade or more with sensible US policy.

You were still benefiting from the setup, and were going to continue to benefit for a long time. Look at Boeing's valuation, for example. No profit, still higher market cap than Airbus.

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Post by rdm_blackhole »

xenospn wrote: post #70

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I have trouble following the logic here.

Putin has not been able to conquer the whole of Ukraine after 3 years, but somehow, suddenly, he will be able to conquer all of the Baltic states without breaking a sweat?

So which is it? Is the Russian army fighting with shovels or are they a ferocious horde that is unstoppable? Those two things cannot be true at the same time.

I am getting tired of people parroting this narrative. If Putin could conquer Ukraine, he would have done so by now. Yet according to you this means is able to conquer more countries when his army can't even hold on to a full one.

No offense, but that makes zero sense.

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Post by ty6853 »

ellis0n wrote: post #110
csomar wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No such a move only costs a few hundred dollars at most and maybe free if you are willing to rough it up with the truck drivers. The situation can only be complicated by immediate family members but still it's only a car rental or convincing somebody with a car to drive you there.

And what’s next? Sleep on the street? Rent is expensive, I’ve already tried and it’s impossible without any income. Sure, thanks for the advice, but I’ll need to work, not just travel. I need the same big monitor for work, a good chair, and usually these things aren’t available, so I end up working in terrible conditions.

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Post by inglor_cz »

jesterson wrote: post #126
xenospn wrote: post #70

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Buy a plane ticket and see it for yourself.

There is a demographic deficit in the Baltics, but it is only visible in rural areas and third-tier cities. Tallinn, Riga, Vilnius, Kaunas and Klaipeda are absolutely lively and prosperous cities full of people, including youngsters (no surprise, because both the jobs and the universities are there).

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Post by watwut »

inglor_cz wrote: post #141
csomar wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not a petty tantrum though it might look like one. You have to consider that the incumbents have won the US elections, that's not a small feat. What many people are missing is that if the US main challenger is China and beating Russia is a far thing, then it makes sense for the US to ally with Russia against China. For that, the US might need to give Russia something (some EU countries?) for this hustle and als…

I don't see how Russia would a) be willing to join a US-led coalition against China, given that the US foreign policy stopped being consistent and the next administration may well make a sharp turn again; b) be capable of joining a US-led coalition against China when they now spent 3 years slowly restructuring their infrastructure and industry from Western products to Chinese products and any break in the relations w…

> Not to mention that Russian nationalists HATE the idea of Russia being a junior partner to anyone and especially to the Anglo-Saxons. That would be hard sell even from Putin.

America would be the junior partner. I do not see Russia doing anything for America, it is just America giving Russia what they want.

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Post by notarobot123 »

jesterson wrote: post #125
nuccy wrote: post #6

Thus two messages for every other country: 1. Make nukes, never give up on those regardless of what assurances of safety you get 2. If you are bigger and stronger - you are right, do whatever you want, international laws and rules do not matter any more Lets see where all this will bring the world to in the next 10 years or a generation.

> If you are bigger and stronger - you are right, do whatever you want, international laws and rules do not matter any more Rules never mattered in history. it's always up to strongest to impose their version of "fairness".

It's not always the biggest and strongest. Sometimes it's the many.

Rules matter as long as they are enforced. It's only when enforcement is asymmetrical that problems begin.

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