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Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by hayst4ck »

The American government has been compromised by Russia. It no longer represents American interests, but Russian interests.

Whether the senior powers in America are compromised, complicit, or opportunist, it doesn't matter. America is being damaged. Russian interests are being prioritized over American interests.

Our military is too powerful for direct conflict, so alternative conflict against our political structure and economy is more logical. America is experiencing a decapitation strike, and our military is not defending us from these domestic enemies. https://archive.is/1xkxK (Decapitation Strike -- Timothy Snyder)

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by jameslk »

The former reality tv star is good at reality tv. What’s usually kept behind closed doors is now out in open, because it makes for great viewership. People gobble this up, which has given the reality tv star endless attention

Hacker News has fallen victim to the reality tv star’s antics

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by overstay8930 »

duxup wrote: post #72

I wish the EU was more ... united. Most of the nations were woefully slow to act with Ukraine (hey let's send some token helmets). They've got a totalitarian regime invading democracies in their back yard but don't seem all that united about it ....

EU is united until it comes time to pay the bill

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by WinstonSmith84 »

sleepyguy wrote: post #6

It was as if they invited him to the Whitehouse to set him up for a lecture and scolding. They had no intention of anything other than humiliating him in front of the world. It's shameful what our administration has done.

it was 100% the purpose, but it looks like it worked out badly. They keep underestimating Zelenski but he was certainly prepared for this confrontation. I mean, I just can't imagine anybody staying that cool in front of such provocations.

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Post by dist-epoch »

sleepyguy wrote: post #6

It was as if they invited him to the Whitehouse to set him up for a lecture and scolding. They had no intention of anything other than humiliating him in front of the world. It's shameful what our administration has done.

Trump did the exact same thing with the Polish president, made him wait for 1 and a half hours then had a 10 minute meeting with him.

https://www.dw.com/en/how-trumps-foreign-policy-is-impacting...

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by pjc50 »

lifeisstillgood wrote: post #127

I got this weird dissonance - like this was a science from a TV show about the White House, because no-one, I mean no-one would ever do that inpublic. Apart from common courtesy, even basic management training says praise in public, criticise in private. Just doing this in front of the world’s media … it’s hard to understand

The public bullying is intentional.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by racktash »

Trump pardoned the January 6th rioters for the benefit of a certain segment of his supporter base. I have a feeling his childish humiliation of Zelensky is more of the same.

It's no coincidence he dropped a "World War 3" reference, a common talking point of a certain segment of the online populist right (to be clear, this isn't to say some fear about such a scenario is unjustified; only to point out that it is cynically used to steer the discussion about the Ukrainian in a certain direction).

Shame on everyone who continues to be an apologist for this administration. People can make mistakes – I've supported my fair share of dodgy people in the past – but anyone who doesn't see things clearly at this point isn't looking.

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Post by picafrost »

I find it utterly bizarre that some Americans seem to be under the delusion that the US ceasing its military support for Ukraine will somehow save lives. It is the same kind of delusion that causes President Trump to list off the US presidents under which Putin has disregarded its negotiated deals with, but obviously that would never happen under his watch.

I suspect that this exchange will become an infamous moment in history. Utterly shameful.

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Post by labrador »

I try to look at actions and not words. Trump/Musk have not shut off Starlink yet, but maybe this manufactured confrontation is a prelude to that? It also seems to me that Europe could adequately support Ukraine in defending itself, so maybe it matters less what America thinks and more what Europe thinks.
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