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I found a backdoor into my bed

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Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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Post by electroly »

LoganDark wrote: post #135
electroly wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You may be misunderstanding the product--it's a topper that goes on top of your existing mattress. It doesn't replace the mattress. I do indeed have it on top of an old school analog expensive mattress. It cools/warms to the desired temperature without impacting the comfort from the mattress. I don't think there's much room for snake oil here: it pumps cooled or heated water through the mattress topper. There's no my…

How does it feel? I have a nice foam mattress and I'd hate to buy one of these and have it feel like I'm sleeping on a bunch of tubes and plastic rather than foam.

I can't feel the tubes at all. It does have some electronics stuff on the sides that you can feel through the topper, but nothing on the top where you sleep. It maybe feels slightly firmer than the mattress feels without it.

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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Post by JTyQZSnP3cQGa8B »

lijok wrote: post #138
wedn3sday wrote: post #66

A $20/month bed subscription is objectively hilarious. I cant imagine how this company attracts a non-zero number of clients.

*subjectively. Once you realize just how important quality sleep is, and how much this can help, $20/month bed subscription becomes a laughably small price to pay.

Do you have the same reasoning with cigarettes? $10 every day is a small price to pay to avoid having to stop smoking.

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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Post by yubblegum »

adamc wrote: post #125
dhosek wrote: post #27

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I used to work for match.com and we had a readout in the office that streamed customer feedback. 90% of it was people who had paid subscriptions complaining about intrusive advertising on the site or in the app while logged in. I raised this at a meeting and was told that they weren‘t going to change it because it made too much money. I’m sure engineers raised issues about this as well and were shut down by the busin…

Finding another job and marking them as unethical on glassdoor would be more like taking a stand. Raising awareness of management is just the polite first step.

one of the reasons wallstreet invented outsourcing of uppity techs.

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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Post by boogieup »

moolcool wrote: post #31
EvanAnderson wrote: post #3

The state of the product's security wasn't unexpected. I was, however, shocked by this part: > I was willing to overlook: > The bed costs $2,000 > It won’t function if the internet goes down > Basic features are behind an additional $19/mo subscription > The bed’s only controls are via mobile app Nothing about this bed should depend on off-site servers. Nothing about the product should necessitate a subscription fee.…

I wonder if there'd be a cottage industry for new control boards which de-shittify IOT devices but keep their functionality. Like buy the bed, and then buy a little pre-programmed ESP32 logic board to replace the factory board.

I wonder if we could just make this kind of thing illegal so companies can't get away with it anymore.

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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Post by hackernewds »

j2kun wrote: post #29

> but the eight sleep sure does harvest people’s bed data, and occasionally tweet about how they’re watching you sleep [Followed by a screenshot of the EightSleep CEO publicly tweeting about SF sleep data in Nov 2023.] This is reason enough to not patronize this business. What a creep.

The company itself is also run by a race car driver and has typical Miami hype. Not sure why they are often tagged as tech companies, besides making a black version of Casper. Could be the heavy Elon association.

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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Post by lijok »

JTyQZSnP3cQGa8B wrote: post #142
lijok wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

*subjectively. Once you realize just how important quality sleep is, and how much this can help, $20/month bed subscription becomes a laughably small price to pay.

Do you have the same reasoning with cigarettes? $10 every day is a small price to pay to avoid having to stop smoking.

I don't follow, sorry

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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Post by connicpu »

xg15 wrote: post #32
EvanAnderson wrote: post #3

The state of the product's security wasn't unexpected. I was, however, shocked by this part: > I was willing to overlook: > The bed costs $2,000 > It won’t function if the internet goes down > Basic features are behind an additional $19/mo subscription > The bed’s only controls are via mobile app Nothing about this bed should depend on off-site servers. Nothing about the product should necessitate a subscription fee.…

In addition to everything else, also love how a bed with the express purpose to increase sleep quality requires you to open your phone every time you want to adjust a setting.

I agree with this so much. Opening an app is the last thing I want to do to adjust something while I'm in bed. I have a zigbee lightswitch so I can turn the light off from bed, and sure I could open an app to do that, but it's so much better to get a zigbee button and stick it to the wall above my head and program it to control the lightswitch.

Unlike all the cloud garbage, my zigbee devices continue to function even when the internet is down. I have my zigbee hub (Home Assistant Yellow) on a battery backup, so all the zigbee devices with a battery keep functioning even when the power is out (like my automatic cat feeders)

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

mrWiz wrote: post #115
hinkley wrote: post #55

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I’m still fairly upset that ambient devices never really took off. Nanoleaf at least made a remote like this. It’s a dodecahedron with an accelerometer, so you can program each face with a different setting. The simplest being to program opposing faces for two different light levels. You want to take a nap, turn the controller upside down.

I've got a cube that's hooked into my Home Assistant setup that works similarly. Flipping the cube upside down turns my bedside light on or off, rotating it clockwise increases the brightness, and counterclockwise decreases it.

And if a guest comes round and messes it, the lights dim, blood runs down the walls, nails come out of your head, and the furniture starts moving.

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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Post by stavros »

hinkley wrote: post #55
xg15 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In addition to everything else, also love how a bed with the express purpose to increase sleep quality requires you to open your phone every time you want to adjust a setting.

I’m still fairly upset that ambient devices never really took off. Nanoleaf at least made a remote like this. It’s a dodecahedron with an accelerometer, so you can program each face with a different setting. The simplest being to program opposing faces for two different light levels. You want to take a nap, turn the controller upside down.

There are a bunch of Zigbee switches, rockers, etc (including the Aqara cube people mentioned) that you can use as rich controls.
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