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Matrix Foundation to shut down bridges if it doesn't raise $100K

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Re: Matrix Foundation to shut down bridges if it doesn't raise $100K

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Post by jraph »

JohnTHaller wrote: post #136
baobun wrote: post #61

We are ready to donate. Unfortunately, none of the options work: Only credit card or bank wire transfer are accepted. Arathorn, neiljohnson, thibaultmartin: Could you please provide an option for private and anonymous donations? Throw up a BTC address at least. (For even better exposure while keeping volatility, risk, and overhead at bay, I guess also USDT on SOL+ETH alongside XMR as stretch would be fancy. That USDT…

I think the Donate page may need a rework. Listing only Donorbox and then Other Options at the top adds unnecessary resistance. I have never heard of Donorbox, I have to click again to see what other options there are. Ok, click. There's also Patreon (which means ongoing donation in my mind) and Librepay (which I've heard of but never used... and is apparently also ongoing donations weekly/monthly/etc). Can't I just…

> There's also Patreon (which means ongoing donation in my mind) and Librepay (which I've heard of but never used... and is apparently also ongoing donations weekly/monthly/etc). Can't I just use a credit card or PayPal to make a one time donation for instance?

That removes nothing from the rest of your comment but note that you can actually make a one time payment with liberapay, and I believe patreon too.

Re: Matrix Foundation to shut down bridges if it doesn't raise $100K

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Post by t0bia_s »

zenexer wrote: post #121
Arathorn wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds very strange. Element X on iOS is a native Swift UI app, and for me (even in an enormous account) it’s super snappy - similar to WhatsApp or Telegram or iMessage. It’s not Electron, which is only for desktop apps; is there a chance you’re mixing up Element X with Element Web/Desktop (which is still sluggish, but should get much-needed upgrades this year)?

No, there's no chance I'm mixing them up. It's Element X from the App Store. The app label is "Element X". If I'm using a mobile app, chances are I'm on-the-go. I probably have a slow, high-latency, or otherwise unreliable connection. It's possible it comes down to protocol differences that hinder UI responsiveness. Edit: As a test, I just sent a message from my phone while on a cell connection with good service. Hit…

Same here. I really like Matrix protocol but Element on desktop and Android is... Still beta? Recovering keys is not user friendly. Many family members use unverified devices after upgrade. Editing is laggy, new channels connect for ages...

Re: Matrix Foundation to shut down bridges if it doesn't raise $100K

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Post by Arathorn »

zenexer wrote: post #121
Arathorn wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds very strange. Element X on iOS is a native Swift UI app, and for me (even in an enormous account) it’s super snappy - similar to WhatsApp or Telegram or iMessage. It’s not Electron, which is only for desktop apps; is there a chance you’re mixing up Element X with Element Web/Desktop (which is still sluggish, but should get much-needed upgrades this year)?

No, there's no chance I'm mixing them up. It's Element X from the App Store. The app label is "Element X". If I'm using a mobile app, chances are I'm on-the-go. I probably have a slow, high-latency, or otherwise unreliable connection. It's possible it comes down to protocol differences that hinder UI responsiveness. Edit: As a test, I just sent a message from my phone while on a cell connection with good service. Hit…

I’m not sure I’m seeing what you’re describing. Here’s a screen recording of send performance (on fast internet, a few ms ping to the homeserver): https://github.com/element-hq/element-x-ios/issues/3810

The first msg does take a little longer to clear the composer, but it’s barely noticeable. And as the recording shows, it queues up msgs fine if the first hasn’t gone through.

How does this compare with what you’re seeing?

Re: Matrix Foundation to shut down bridges if it doesn't raise $100K

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Post by wink »

the__alchemist wrote: post #53
Jnr wrote: post #30

I have had only bad experience with its federation and chat clients over many years, I don't think it can improve, if it could, they probably would have fixed it a long time ago. Maybe not a popular opinion, but they should let the Matrix die altogether so something better can replace it.

Concur. Element is embarrassingly buggy.

I have no skin in this game but I'm honestly baffled.

A group of friends and I have been using Matrix for a couple of years now (web, Android, iOS, maybe some native clients (not sure here)) - and it's just been working. So maybe we're just using it somehow differently but we've all been quite happy with it.

The only oddities I'd noticed was when joining a massive channel, and people posting from the @matrix.org homeserver instead of their own or this small community one.

Re: Matrix Foundation to shut down bridges if it doesn't raise $100K

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Post by IlikeKitties »

2Gkashmiri wrote: post #139

I was a huge matrix user, had converted "most" of my family and extended family to join matrix to be able to talk to me and it was generally a fine experience. Not great, just fine. But.... then the government imposed a ban and I continued to use it and last year the police knocked on my door with an Armada thinking me and my family were hosting some "terrorist". My.family forced me to cut ties to matrix then and the…

What country has banned matrix?

Re: Matrix Foundation to shut down bridges if it doesn't raise $100K

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Post by 2Gkashmiri »

IlikeKitties wrote: post #146
2Gkashmiri wrote: post #139

I was a huge matrix user, had converted "most" of my family and extended family to join matrix to be able to talk to me and it was generally a fine experience. Not great, just fine. But.... then the government imposed a ban and I continued to use it and last year the police knocked on my door with an Armada thinking me and my family were hosting some "terrorist". My.family forced me to cut ties to matrix then and the…

What country has banned matrix?

like my name. kashmir. government of india

Re: Matrix Foundation to shut down bridges if it doesn't raise $100K

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Post by matt-p »

hwbehrens wrote: post #12

> Without advocacy, conferences, documentation and tutorials, Matrix would become a niche protocol used by a few enthusiasts for side projects, whilst big proprietary and siloed networks continue to hold the world’s communications. Advocacy and conferences aren't going to move the needle on mainstream adoption; those methods almost by definition are targeting the enthusiast crowd. In my view, the only factor that mat…

"would become a niche protocol.." I would say that's exactly what it is today, more conferences will clearly not change that.

Re: Matrix Foundation to shut down bridges if it doesn't raise $100K

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Post by zenexer »

Arathorn wrote: post #144
zenexer wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, there's no chance I'm mixing them up. It's Element X from the App Store. The app label is "Element X". If I'm using a mobile app, chances are I'm on-the-go. I probably have a slow, high-latency, or otherwise unreliable connection. It's possible it comes down to protocol differences that hinder UI responsiveness. Edit: As a test, I just sent a message from my phone while on a cell connection with good service. Hit…

I’m not sure I’m seeing what you’re describing. Here’s a screen recording of send performance (on fast internet, a few ms ping to the homeserver): https://github.com/element-hq/element-x-ios/issues/3810 The first msg does take a little longer to clear the composer, but it’s barely noticeable. And as the recording shows, it queues up msgs fine if the first hasn’t gone through. How does this compare with what you’re se…

It's hard to say because I can't see when you're clicking, but that looks snappier than what I'm seeing. I'll comment further in the issue and attach a screen recording of my own.

Re: Matrix Foundation to shut down bridges if it doesn't raise $100K

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Post by the__alchemist »

wink wrote: post #145
the__alchemist wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Concur. Element is embarrassingly buggy.

I have no skin in this game but I'm honestly baffled. A group of friends and I have been using Matrix for a couple of years now (web, Android, iOS, maybe some native clients (not sure here)) - and it's just been working. So maybe we're just using it somehow differently but we've all been quite happy with it. The only oddities I'd noticed was when joining a massive channel, and people posting from the @matrix.org home…

Cliffnotes (Anecdotal):

  - Very slow for a chat client. Startup, input lag etc
  - Continous popups to verify/authenticate. I was never able to complete this process to to some combo of bugs, or the difficulty level being beyond me.
  - Synchronization bugs between desktop and mobile clients; messages would be missing for some people, or on some devices. Or the messages would show, but edits not reflected.
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