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Re: South Korean regulator accuses DeepSeek of sharing user data with ByteDance

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Post by aboardRat4 »

powerapple wrote: post #117
aboardRat4 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firstly, Bytedance is far more than just Tiktok. Secondly, most data in China is shared among most companies anyway, because, firstly, the government (not necessarily CCP) orders most companies to share data with "technological leaders" and "strategically important" companies, and secondly because computer security is mostly an alien concept to Chinese. Copyright (broadly speaking, most restrictions on unrestricted d…

loads of rubbish XD The government does not know what data is important, and most time does not know who is technological leader

Of course they don't know, but they really don't have to.

They designate who is strategic, and those designated strategic tell them what kind of data they need.

Re: South Korean regulator accuses DeepSeek of sharing user data with ByteDance

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Post by unclebucknasty »

lmm wrote: post #114
unclebucknasty wrote: post #49

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Interesting, but I don't think those details will be ameliorative to the people who are concerned (e.g. U.S. Congress). In fact, I wonder if it may further underscore their concerns, given that it surfaces the interconnectedness between all of these firms.

Would you say that US-based apps that use e.g. Google Analytics, and therefore share information with Google, "surface the interconnectedness between all of these firms" and are a good reason to e.g. ban apps from US-based developers?

My comment starts with the reality that some people (e.g. U.S. Congress) find cause for concern WRT Chinese apps.

This is the reason, say, revelations about interconnectedness matter when it comes to Chinese apps versus U.S. apps.

You may disagree about whether there should be cause for concern, but that's another matter.

But, if you're asking me if I personally think there's cause for concern around allowing a foreign adversary access to your citizenry via social media platforms, then the answer is yes.

And, of course, China itself also believes it's a problem, which is why U.S. social media is banned there.

Re: South Korean regulator accuses DeepSeek of sharing user data with ByteDance

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Post by lmm »

unclebucknasty wrote: post #142
lmm wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you say that US-based apps that use e.g. Google Analytics, and therefore share information with Google, "surface the interconnectedness between all of these firms" and are a good reason to e.g. ban apps from US-based developers?

My comment starts with the reality that some people (e.g. U.S. Congress) find cause for concern WRT Chinese apps. This is the reason, say, revelations about interconnectedness matter when it comes to Chinese apps versus U.S. apps. You may disagree about whether there should be cause for concern, but that's another matter. But, if you're asking me if I personally think there's cause for concern around allowing a forei…

If you consider all Chinese apps suspect because they're Chinese then it doesn't make any difference whether they're connecting to another app or not. For anyone who doesn't already think Chinese apps are automatically their adversary, I don't see how a Chinese app using a Chinese metrics framework in exactly the same way that is completely routine for US apps using US metrics frameworks (and indeed any number of other countries) is supposed to move the needle on how suspicious this app is.

Re: South Korean regulator accuses DeepSeek of sharing user data with ByteDance

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Post by throwaway290 »

ivewonyoung wrote: post #66
bilbo0s wrote: post #62

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Yep. No one cares about the details. (Heck, I'd be willing to wager good money that the politicians and most of their staffers don't even understand the details). In the end, it's just one more reason that Chinese models will not be legal in the US in the near future.

> it's just one more reason that Chinese models will not be legal in the US in the near future This isn't about the model, it's about the mobile app. The open source model weights are different from the website and the app. The model cannot track you. Not just Congress, even techies can be confused about these things.

> The model cannot track you.

Maybe it cannot but can it say inject a tracker in suggested code https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43121383

Re: South Korean regulator accuses DeepSeek of sharing user data with ByteDance

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Post by unclebucknasty »

lmm wrote: post #143
unclebucknasty wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My comment starts with the reality that some people (e.g. U.S. Congress) find cause for concern WRT Chinese apps. This is the reason, say, revelations about interconnectedness matter when it comes to Chinese apps versus U.S. apps. You may disagree about whether there should be cause for concern, but that's another matter. But, if you're asking me if I personally think there's cause for concern around allowing a forei…

If you consider all Chinese apps suspect because they're Chinese then it doesn't make any difference whether they're connecting to another app or not. For anyone who doesn't already think Chinese apps are automatically their adversary, I don't see how a Chinese app using a Chinese metrics framework in exactly the same way that is completely routine for US apps using US metrics frameworks (and indeed any number of oth…

>If you consider all Chinese apps suspect, then it doesn't make any difference whether they're connecting to another app or not.

>For anyone who doesn't already think Chinese apps are automatically their adversary...

I think we're drifting from the original context. My point was that some people, including many in U.S. Congress, do take issue with at least some Chinese apps (let's just say TikTok here). This concern is at least partially WRT its data collection/handling and espionage. So any other apps that connect to it (or its parent company's products) and provide data would obviously also be viewed as problematic.

Incidentally, this isn't necessarily related to whether that other app is China-based.

You brought in the question of whether U.S. companies would face similar scrutiny for connecting to other U.S. companies, and I was merely explaining the difference.

Re: South Korean regulator accuses DeepSeek of sharing user data with ByteDance

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Post by powerapple »

aboardRat4 wrote: post #141
powerapple wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

loads of rubbish XD The government does not know what data is important, and most time does not know who is technological leader

Of course they don't know, but they really don't have to. They designate who is strategic, and those designated strategic tell them what kind of data they need.

if you really want to understand how Chinese government works, you need to read the book "The Lean Startup".
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