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this is correct. "open source" means everything required to recreate from scratch and improve. not "here's a massive binary, an interpreter script and permission."

How can you even "open source" an AI model without all of the, presumably copyrighted and extremely voluminous, training data?

You can't. But that's not an excuse to misuse the label.

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Because he owns companies that contract with the government and are affected by its policies. It's the very definition of a conflict of interest.

And he's not even "auditing" the government. When you're auditing, you emit a report that the audited party later analyzes and acts upon. He's been given freeway to fire government workers as he pleases as if he's an elected officer, which he's not.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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I don't understand how and why Grok would be related to "understanding the nature of the universe", as Musk puts it. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but they basically just burned more cash than any human should have to buy Nvidia GPUs and make them predict natural language, right? So, they are somewhat on-par with all the other companies that did the same.

This is not innovation, this is baseless hype over a mediocre technology. I use AI every day, so it's not like I don't see its uses, it's just not that big of a deal.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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post #81

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It was mentioned during the launch that current datacenter requires up to 0.25 gigawatts of power. The datacenter they're currently building will require 1.25 (5x) (for reference, a nuclear powerplant might output about 1 gigawatt). Will be interesting to see if the relationship between power/compute/parameters and performance is exponential, logarithmic or something more linear.

It's logarithmic. Meaning you scale compute exponentially to get linearly better models. However there is a big premium in having the best model because of low switching costs of workloads, creating all sorts of interesting threshold effects.

It's logarithmic in benchmark scores, not in utility. Linear differences in benchmarks at the margin don't translate to linear differences in utility. A model that's 99% accurate is very different in utility space to a model that's 98% accurate.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this is correct. "open source" means everything required to recreate from scratch and improve. not "here's a massive binary, an interpreter script and permission."

How can you even "open source" an AI model without all of the, presumably copyrighted and extremely voluminous, training data?

You would open source the procedure and reference where the data came from. If there is any non-open source content used in training, then the project couldn’t qualify as “open source”.

But this thread is about misuse of the term as applied to the weights package. Those of us who know what open source means should not continue to dilute the term by calling these LLMs by that term.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/elon-musks-terrifying-visi... I'm not sure if this was a very bad joke by Elon, or if Grok 3 is really biased like that.

> Everyone—and not just The Information—should be genuinely terrified that the richest man in the world has built a Large Language Model that spouts propaganda in his image. If we survived Gemini refusing to draw white vikings we will survive that too.

It did give us racially diverse Nazis though. Not sure if grok would do that.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Grok has gotten to the top of one benchmark: https://x.com/lmarena_ai/status/1891706264800936307 It's been said before but it is great news for consumers that there's so much competition in the LLM space. If it's hard for any one player to get daylight between them & the 2nd best alternative, hopefully that means one monopolistic firm isn't going to be sucking up all the value created by these things

>It's been said before but it is great news for consumers that there's so much competition in the LLM space.

Is it? Because it seems like a bunch of megacorps pirating every single copyrighted work available in digital format, spending an enormous amount of electricity (that is probably not 100% clean) to churn through them, and the end result we have a bunch of parrots that may or may not produce accurate results so that spammers can more effectively fill the Internet with crap.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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I am excited for the voice mode promised in "a week" or so. ChatGPT Advanced Voice has been a big disappointment for me. It can't do some of the things they demoed at the announcement. It's a lot dumber than text mode. I find the voice recognition unreliable. I couldn't get it to act as a translator last time I tried. But most of all I find I don't have much to talk to it about. If Grok 3 voice mode can discuss curre…

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