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Deepseek R1 Distill 8B Q40 on 4 x Raspberry Pi 5

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Re: Deepseek R1 Distill 8B Q40 on 4 x Raspberry Pi 5

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Really there needs to be a product based off of LLMs similar to Alexa or Google home where instead of connecting to the cloud it’s a locally run LLM. I don’t know why one doesn’t exist yet or why no one is working on this

You can kind of get there with home assistant. I'm not sure if it can use tools yet, but you can expose stuff you'd ask about like the weather/etc.

Re: Deepseek R1 Distill 8B Q40 on 4 x Raspberry Pi 5

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That was an (as far as I can tell) unsubstantiated claim made by OpenAI. It doesn’t even make sense, as o1’s reasoning traces are not provided to the user.

One reason to believe OpenAI here is that R1 will occasionally claim to be made by OpenAI, which in e.g. LLaMA finetunes is indicative of using synthetic data generated by ChatGPT. Note that this isn't necessarily o1. While o1 is specifically trained to do CoT, you can also make 4o etc produce it with the appropriate prompts, and then train on that output.

I suppose it might be hard to avoid encountering ChatGPT outputs "in the wild" now, even if they don't explicitly use it for training material.

Re: Deepseek R1 Distill 8B Q40 on 4 x Raspberry Pi 5

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post #135

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This is HN: my focus is technical (here specifically), maybe "technical" in world assessment and future prediction (in other pages). I.e.: I am just trying to understand the facts.

Sorry, it felt to me like you're trying to troll. Those behaviours are extremely likely intentionally added. I can't prove it, but the responses read like they are from a propaganda text book. Not the nuanced new fashioned kind of propaganda from social media, but classic blunt and authoritarian style. You really notice it from the answers. The output token come really fast, at least 3 times faster than in any other…

So we get a new model that is one of the ~two best performing models on the market, and yet we are not discussing its technical capabilities but rather its inclination towards the history events.

Sorry, I don't get this obsession.

Re: Deepseek R1 Distill 8B Q40 on 4 x Raspberry Pi 5

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I honestly don't understand the meme with RPi clusters. For a little more money than 4 RPi 5's, you can find on eBay a 1U Dell server with a 32 core Epyc CPU and 64 GB memory. This gives you at least an order of magnitude more performance. If people want to talk about Beowulf clusters in their homelab, they should at least be running compute nodes with a shoestring budget FDR Infiniband network, running Slurm+Lustre…

You can buy it but you can't run it, unless you're fairly wealthy. In my country (italy) a basic colocation service is like 80 euros/month + vat, and that only includes 100Wh of power and a 100mbps connection. +100wh/month upgrades are like +100 euros. I looked up the kind of servers and cpus you're talking about and the cpu alone can pull something like 180W/h, without accounting for fans, disks and other stuff (stu…

You're (luckily) wrong on this. There's nothing that is stopping you to plug the server into your home power outlet. It will work just fine - ~0.5kW is almost nothing. Case in point - Dell also builds the workstations with the same hardware you see in their servers.

Re: Deepseek R1 Distill 8B Q40 on 4 x Raspberry Pi 5

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"ollama pull" is pretty close

Why tf isn't ollama in apt-get yet? F these curl|sh installs.

> Why tf isn't ollama in apt-get yet?

There are three broad groups of people in packaging:

A) People who package stuff you and others need.

B) People who don’t package stuff but use what’s available.

C) People who don’t package stuff and complain about what’s available without taking further action.

If you find yourself in group C while having no interest in contributing to group A or working within the limits of group B, then you have two realistic options: either open your wallet and pay someone to package it for you or accept that your complaints won’t change anything.

Most packaging work is done by volunteers. If something isn’t available, it’s not necessarily because no one sees value in it—it could also be due to policy restrictions, dependency complexity, or simply a lack of awareness. If you want it packaged, the best approach is to contribute, fund the work, or advocate for it constructively.

Re: Deepseek R1 Distill 8B Q40 on 4 x Raspberry Pi 5

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Does adding memory help? There's a Rpi 5 with 16GB RAM recently available.

Inference speed is heavily dependent on memory read/write speed versus size. As long as you can fit the model in memory, what’ll determine functionality is the mem bandwidth.

This is not universally true although I see this phrase being repeated here too often. And it is especially not true with the small models. Small models are compute-bound.

Re: Deepseek R1 Distill 8B Q40 on 4 x Raspberry Pi 5

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Meanwhile on /r/localllama, people are running the full R1 on CPU with NVMe drives in lieu of VRAM.

Did they get the first token out? ;) Just curious, NVidia ported it, and they claim almost 4 tokens/sec on 8xH100 server. At this performance there are much cheaper option.

> Did they get the first token out? ;)

Suprisingly it's not *that* bad, with 3t/s for the quantized models: https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1in9qsg/boostin...

> NVidia ported it, and they claim almost 4 tokens/sec on 8xH100 server.

What? That sounds ridiculously low, someone just got 5.8t/s out of only one 3090 + CPU/RAM using the KTransformers inference library: https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1iq6ngx/ktransf...

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