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A Year of Telepathy

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Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by theoreticalmal »

abc123abc123 wrote: post #138
SimianSci wrote: post #74

I very violently recoil from any of Musk's ventures these days. Im sure there are some very smart and talented people working at Neuralink. They should go work for someone else as their boss has shown himself to be a revolting person and the kind of leader who seeks to actively harm people who inconvenience him. This kind of behavior is not befitting of a company that will need to cultivate an incredible amount of tr…

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Are you saying OP can’t interact with the world? What does “again” mean?

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by computerthings »

tmnvdb wrote: post #133
computerthings wrote: post #86

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If it would make the greed and exploitation that form people like Musk go away without a trace and forever, I'd happily to be paralyzed for the rest of my life. Nobody would even have to know and thank me for it, as long as I knew... I'd watch humanity flourish on TV and cry tears of happiness. Even the best version of my best life is still just 1 life.

It is very brave of you to make this totally hypothetical sacrifce for us - only in your mind of course.

> If it was that or be paralyzed for the rest of your life, would you at least consider it?

It's all hypothetical anyway, what's your deal? Are you saying the totally hypothetical life changing cure is something to be impressed by so much, that the real suffering caused by those pursuing it is to be ignored? Ignoring the real suffering for some hypothetical deus ex machina is very cowardly, and if my hypothetical sacrifice reminded you of that, that's fine.

"If Elon Musk gave a shit about anything than profit, and knew his ass from his elbow, and this tech was feasible, and you were paralyzed, would you do it?"

He doesn't, he doesn't, it may not be, and I'm not, so the question is moot. But it's very scientific to ask, and a great way to navigate such society impacting questions, thanks!

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by junon »

abc123abc123 wrote: post #138
SimianSci wrote: post #74

I very violently recoil from any of Musk's ventures these days. Im sure there are some very smart and talented people working at Neuralink. They should go work for someone else as their boss has shown himself to be a revolting person and the kind of leader who seeks to actively harm people who inconvenience him. This kind of behavior is not befitting of a company that will need to cultivate an incredible amount of tr…

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What does this even mean?

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by concordDance »

SrslyJosh wrote: post #32
losvedir wrote: post #28

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I think people who (still) support him don't think it was a sieg heil, and just chalk it up as an awkward gesture. Personally, I can't imagine why he would throw one, so a priori it seems like an unlikely gesture, though I admit it's strange what he does in the video I saw. The most awkward part of it is the beginning of the gesture where he clutches his chest like he's having a heart attack. I've tried searching for…

An "awkward gesture" that has no other meaning in western culture. Which he made twice. It's not something you can do by accident. > I can't imagine why he would throw one That's pretty naive. He's a white south african who recently said that Germany's furthest-right party should "get over" being guilty about what the nazis did.

> It's not something you can do by accident.

There are countless memes online showing pictures of other famous people like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortwz doing similar things.

Anyway, even if it was a nazi salute, what would that even imply about him other than the childish edgelord aspect which is already well publicized? That he wants to gas the jews?

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by concordDance »

walrus01 wrote: post #14
the_optimist wrote: post #10

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At this point it would be much less effort to make a short list of the unquestionably good things he has done or is well known for, rather than attempting to list all of the despicable things he is recently associated with.

I'm quite curious if someone has gone to the effort of making a full list of all the things fommonly thought of as pros and cons and made it available somewhere... would be interesting.

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by maleldil »

junon wrote: post #143
abc123abc123 wrote: post #138

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What does this even mean?

> It's given me the ability to do things on my own again without needing my family at all hours of the day and night --Noland

From TFA. I dislike Musk as anyone with a brain, but some smart people are doing important work in his companies.

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by SideQuark »

romaaeterna wrote: post #118
computerthings wrote: post #115

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That's not questioning as in asking, that's accusing someone of something nobody can disprove. And if every single person who doesn't see the Nazi salute acts this way, smearing those who do, that's kind of telling. Basically " because it's not a Nazi salute, you're just a far leftist foreign agent nonperson" -- okay? That really does prove the point, and being confused by that shows having read zero bookshelves abou…

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Looking at static images of people waving and reaching your conclusion is like showing a picture of a plane just before it crashed and claiming it didn’t. Did you consider looking at videos of the things you claim are equivalent?

Here’s what Musk did, twice, next to Getty Images videos of other fascist and Nazi salutes.

https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/1i7w4nz/comparison_of...

Now, if you’re intellectually honest, you will go find the videos of the false equivalencies you’re posting, look at them, and admit those examples you posted are nothing like Musk’s, or Nazis.

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by computerthings »

yreg wrote: post #135
computerthings wrote: post #78

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Someone who has genuine concern for helping people doesn't cut medical programs in fly-by-night operations to leave people with medical devices in their body and whatnot. Empathy and caring about suffering can be ruled out. Generally speaking, the demo is always about finding the green ball on top of a red cube, or the person who went missing in a land slide, but what sells it is detecting and aiming at the dissident…

> And isn't it weird how "think of the children" is always ridiculed but "think of the paralyzed etc." is just fine? Isn't the difference that "think of the children" is used to ban stuff and "think of the paralyzed" is used to enable stuff?

Well, even to genuinely protect children it often means removing things from impacting them. You don't give a newborn honey; we don't invent some kind of pill that allows us to give them honey on day 1, they can't deal with honey, it's fine, just keep it away from them. Then the older they get, the more it's about giving them the tools to make their own decisions -- but children can't consent, so yes, you have to ban adults from doing some things. You can't usually just "enable" something else so they don't harm children. Children grow on their own, provided they get what they need and some stimulus, but also crucially safe space to grow in, from which to extend their feelers so to speak. That must be carved out negatively. And frankly, society totally threw them under the bus even when it was just TV and ads, with phones it's so much worse. But that's a total tangent and besides the point.

"think of the children" can and is also be used as a fig leaf, to just ban things or get control, but that fact in turn is then used as a fig leaf for dismissing any concern for children. While "think of the disabled people whose welfare the broligarchy wants to see cut" somehow is just taken without second thought.

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Post by javcasas »

llm_trw wrote: post #55
rezmason wrote: post #20

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As much as I like regaining autonomy, we should hold back those tears until a patient's implant outlasts a product cycle. I can't find the article to link to, but there's an ongoing issue with tech companies producing assistive devices or prosthetics and obsoleting them when the company pivots, gets bought or goes under. Corporate cyborg parts are an already-predicted nightmare, already taking place, unfolding in slo…

The simple solution is that all such devices must be submitted to a central government database and all blue prints, source code etc. will be released into the public domain is the company no longer supports the device or closes down.

We don't want to be political here.

So, what do we do first? Propose a political solution.

We all know how this is going to end, there have been more than enough cyberpunk videogames and novels for us all to read.

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Post by sneak »

Philpax wrote: post #122
sneak wrote: post #111

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I have no extremely strong pro- or anti- Musk feelings, but the ADL (who seem to me to be the experts on antisemitism) say that’s not what that was. https://x.com/ADL/status/1881474892022919403 There also doesn’t seem to be any corroborating data to suggest he’s a nazi. I’m all for calling a spade a spade if he is, but it seems that people are working backwards from the “I hate Musk” position rather than forwards fro…

The ADL's current leadership appears to be ideologically aligned with Elon Musk for reasons unclear. Here's an article with other Jewish voices, including the former director of the ADL, emphatically stating that it was a Nazi salute: https://forward.com/fast-forward/690745/adl-elon-musk-sieg-h... As for his other views, Wikipedia can speak to it better than I can: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Views_of_Elon_Musk#Rac…

> Musk later denied being antisemitic and described himself as a "pro-Semite".

So which is it? It seems wildly inconsistent to me to intentionally make a nazi salute but verbally deny being antisemitic. I don’t think someone like him would need to rely at all on plausible deniability, given that everyone already seems to hate him and he’s been granted immense power without having been elected to any position.

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