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Microplastics in the human brain

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Re: Microplastics in the human brain

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I couldn't begin to tell you [1]. It's not a 25% variation, once you've extrapolated from the samples by 10,000x (or whatever). The 25% inter-sample error was on a few replicas of teeny tiny measurements. The post-extrapolation error bars are so wide that they're meaningless. The Smithsonian magazine article is garbage. Ignore it. The paper is saying that they see longitudinal trends in plastic bioaccumulation in var…

I may be misunderstanding you, but it sounds like you're claiming that they had e.g. 10 tiny samples of tissue, that their measurements had an average 25% variation across those 10 samples, and that therefore the whole brain estimate (mass 10,000x that of a single sample) therefore has a much greater uncertainty. But doesn't the standard error of the mean get reduced by the square root of the number of samples? i.e.…

You're talking about reduction in statistical variance due to replication of measurement (and then averaging). I'm talking about what happens when they extrapolate from that value by a huge factor (which is what they've done, and the silly article does egregiously).

The paper isn't clear what they mean when they said "~25% within-sample coefficient of variation", so I can't directly address what you're asking, but it's tangential to the point I'm making. My naïve interpretation is that they did an ANOVA, and reported the within-group variance, or something similar.

All I'm saying in my footnote is that, whatever the final point estimate, scaling it by a factor of C will affect the variance of the final sample distribution by C^2. So for example, if you have an 8% variance on the measurement at ug/g, and you scale it by 1300 (for 1300g; what the interwebs tells me is the mass of a standard human brain), then you'd expect the variance of the scaled measurement to be 1300^2 * 8%.

That makes a ton of assumptions that probably don't hold in practice -- and I expect the real error to be larger -- but illustrates the point.

Re: Microplastics in the human brain

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From an infrastructure perspective building out instead of up is incredibly expensive. Not just transport but also water, sewage, electricity and internet.

I should specify: it's more expensive for the developers and their home-buying customers to build up instead of out. All of that stuff you listed comes from tax dollars, and people ultimately care less about that than what's coming out of their pockets for a home purchase. Well, until it's unsustainable, anyways.

Yes exactly. Building is cheap in the US relatively speaking. There are tons of grants and government money to help move things along. Those avenues don't really exist for maintaining things that were built with grants and outside funds. So we see TONS of expansion followed up with almost no maintenance and suburbs and less populated places literally cannot afford to maintain the services that they utilize. The burden is almost entirely shifted onto renters in urban areas instead.

In this country we have this ideal of a rugged individualist whose out there living off the land and making his own way. Never will this rugged individualist acknowledge that he's dependent on 10x as many miles of roads as his urban counterpart. Never will this rugged individualist acknowledge that providing him with internet access on the state's dollar costs orders of magnitude more than someone living in a sustainable location. Same with delivery costs and literally every other thing this person consumes. They get to pretend to be a self-reliant individualist while leaching off of the tax dollars of urban residents who cost a fraction of the amount to support.

Re: Microplastics in the human brain

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post #115

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I couldn't begin to tell you [1]. It's not a 25% variation, once you've extrapolated from the samples by 10,000x (or whatever). The 25% inter-sample error was on a few replicas of teeny tiny measurements. The post-extrapolation error bars are so wide that they're meaningless. The Smithsonian magazine article is garbage. Ignore it. The paper is saying that they see longitudinal trends in plastic bioaccumulation in var…

Why yes, i think i will believe the random internet commenter.

Practically every internet commenter is random.

Re: Microplastics in the human brain

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post #62

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Doesn’t work. It’s in the rainwater. No rainwater on earth is safe to drink. https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-62391069

Does osmosis remove? Is it in all groundwater? Because I have a well. A deep one. And an osmosis system.

Nanofiltration or reverse osmosis will be most effective: https://www.epa.gov/sciencematters/reducing-pfas-drinking-wa... (save the site while the EPA still exists!)

Re: Microplastics in the human brain

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And we need more lightweight cars , not heavier, since tire wear is proportional to vehicle weight to the fourth power. Ironically, CAFE regulations and EV incentives both did the opposite

Do you have a citation for the vehicle weight to the fourth figure? There is about a 2X variation in the weight of the vehicles I’ve owned, but even accounting for differences in tire size, I can’t come up with a 16x difference in how often I change the tires. Thinking about it a different way, there isn’t much difference in recommended tire pressure among the autos I’ve owned. That means that the pressure between th…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_power_law

Re: Microplastics in the human brain

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Hope you never have to drive to the grocery store

Imagine a grocery store that is within a short walking distance, such that you don't need to haul a weeks worth of groceries but can get fresh food every single day. US supermarkets are massive, take forever to buy small amounts of groceries, and even the walk to and from the car is long. A better world is possible! (If better grocery stores constitute a "better world")

> you don't need to haul a weeks worth of groceries but can get fresh food every single day

I lived that life in my 20s

Turns out I don't actually want to go to the grocery store every day. I want to go once a week and stock up, which I can do thanks to inventions like the refrigerator and the automobile

Re: Microplastics in the human brain

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Los Angeles would be very difficult to transition at this point, it’s just too low density. It was better 100 years ago than it is now.

Or Kansas City. Or St. Louis. Or Detroit. Or Chicago, even. Pretty much any major American city is less dense than it was 100 years ago. It was cheaper to build out than it was to build up.

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Re: Microplastics in the human brain

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post #22

I like the analogy where other articles have said we have microplastics in our brain about the size of a credit card (which generally weigh between 4g and 10g) better. Saying a “spoon’s worth” seems to be downplaying the unmitigated potential risk. We have no idea what will happen as we (and all the other creatures on earth) keep storing more and more microplastics in our organs. Nobody is going to stop driving. Car…

> Nobody is going to stop driving. Car tires are the largest source of microplastics. many already have, bicycles and public transport ftw

Unfortunately a bicyclist on the road will be exposed to far more tire microplastics than drivers in their enclosed cabins with filtered and recirculated air.

Re: Microplastics in the human brain

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Do you consume drinks? Meat? Produce? All these things are chock full of their own micro plastics. It's unavoidable. We can probably reduce contamination but our children's children's children won't be free of it, not until organisms evolve to efficiently eat it. Then we'll have whole other sets of problems.

Do I consume drinks? No, except water and instant coffee, no soda, no beer. Meat? Yes in small quantities and much of it comes from the local environment. I grow most of my own produce, with RO water. Yes they are unavoidable, just the plastic containers etc probably give some and I do eat candies and imported bananas and bread etc. But pretty sure I get a lot lower dose than most people. However I'm not sure it matt…

> I grow most of my own produce, with RO water

Do you really grow enough food to make up most of your diet on RO water? And is this specifically to avoid microplastic exposure, or what?

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